drop your pants and grab you ankles

geldoff · Post by **geldoff** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:15 am

I'm more than a little pissed, what do you have to do to get your licence pulled by TC!

Back in March a company on the praries has an pa31 lose an engine because crank cracked, took off with a pool of oil that the customer pointed out. In April or May the CP then drove into the back of a truck with a 172, ripped the gear off, and put it on the ice.

Last week I heard the CP in the air flyin sched service. heard him all week.

What do you have to do!! Why do I do a w/b, or weigh freight. What is TC gonna do to me? They don't have the teeth to do anything about people that are flyin clapped out planes and ramming trucks.

I think I'm gonna keep a picture of the truck with my licence and when I get rampped I'll show them and say,' you got bigger problems buddy than me and my licence'

For the rest of us that bust our humps to keep it safe, you just got screwed

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:26 am

Transport has little interest in the fair enforcing of the CARs. Rather, it's all about personalities and conducting campaigns against people they don't like.

Someone they do like (or someone with a bit of political clout) well, they're golden.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:36 am

I dont think there's a problem with driving your airplane into a truck. At least as far as the CARS are concerned. But we hear ya.

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:44 am

How about this one?

602.01 No person shall operate an aircraft in such a reckless or negligent manner as to endanger or be likely to endanger the life or property of any person.

Notice they put it right at the front - it's the very first of 162 (!) different regulations in the 602 (ops) series.

One might suspect that criminal charges might apply, too.

Oh, I forgot - the regulations are enforced in a very discrimintory and inconsistent manner, not entirely unlike a good ol' boy sheriff from the deep south.

geldoff · Post by **geldoff** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:14 pm

Doc,

forgot to mention that the truck was on the ice road and there was a family in it driving home. Pretty sure that's against the rules

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:03 pm

Threads like this should be instructive for all of us. I have been like many a "Hero pilot" and performed landings where I perhaps shouldn't have, flown over people, houses and vehicles without any other purpose than amusement, and a number of other silly things which are now company legends:roll: Happily, I like others grew out of them before it killed me.

Perhaps you may have noticed the blurb earlier on that RCMP is investigating.

Not investigated, as in:

all supporting documents have had their certified true copies provided to the Crown Prosector's office,
nor the Defence Counsel,
nor has the audit trail to ensure the veracity of those documents been completed.
Investigations as to witness reliability may not have been complete.
Similar accidents/incdents/potential violations may have emerged that have to also be investigated

People like to scream about the ineptitude of TC, and why are they:

A)Not shutting down/arresting/executing these clowns while at the same time....
B) Screaming that their rights to fly in as boneheaded, unregulated, and incompetent manner as possible; are being flagrantly violated by: (one):NavCan employees with too much time on their hands & (two):vindictive TC inspectors who are out to get them with malice aforethought.

Investigators like to win like anyone else. They don't like to lay a charge in any industry without reasonable proof that they will convict. Instigators of these potential charges can be either:

The offended parties...That Bonehead flew under the bridge without asking my permission and my wife is refusing to clean my laundry as a result
Hostile competitors (those damned theiving bast*rds from Zima Air and Welding have stolen their last 40 mile minimum charter from Us!)
Hot reactors (Second hand news recipients like the media, insurance companies, contractors in the oil patch, union/ H&S reps in the paramedics union...)

It is the members of list three who will be most persistent in pushing prosecution. Whether you are having accidents, incidents, or just making fun of these people's propensity for drinking the wrong beer, or driving ugly cars.... These are the ones you should be most wary of.

The other thing is this investigators and prosecutors may have an ulterior motive in a lot of cases, but most people miss the primary one: Nobody likes to be made a fool of. If one were to dick around with someone who was only a tad curious about an operation, then they would be digging a very deep pit. P*ss them off too much (by bullsh*tting them), and they will lean over and push you into it.

It appears to me by virtue of 1300 miles and 20 years separation, that this is the edge of the pit. It doesn't appear likely that it'll slide into obscurity. Lots of operators far from a TC base have done similar things in the past. Most of them are both dead, and un-mourned.

Hopefully if this is the tip of the iceberg, then the company will have the vision to reform. I hope so.

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:22 pm

There probably has been no charges laid because after a thorough investigation by TC they found that in both aircraft the compass correction cards were not out of date. They were geared up to throw the book at him if they had been.