Airlines asking for 1000 hours minimum time, pilots are going to Jazz, Encore, Porter with 750 to 1000 hours & starting $15,000 to $25,000 higher than your pay and without training bonds

Is your company trying to attract experienced pilots? Or are your job ad hiring minimums false?

Central Mountain Air wrote:
We are currently seeking a Dornier 328 First Officer for our Vancouver, BC Base.

Minimum Qualifications for First Officers:
• 1000 hours total time

Salary: $46,000.00 – $65,000.00 per year

PERM614 wrote:
Perimeter Aviation
First Officers - Metro & Dash 8 - Various Bases

Minimum Qualifications for First Officers:
1000 hours total flight time preferred

$50.82 - $61.46 per hour

Sunwest Aviation Ltd. is the leading Western Canadian operator of jet and turboprop charter aircraft
We currently have an opportunity available for a First Officer, DH8

1,000 hours Total Time
100 hours PIC
500 hours Multi-engine

Salary/Hourly:
$52,000 - $72,000 per year

Last I heard perimeter still has training bonds too, not sure about the others. Hilarious considering the current job market. If these companies want to operate as pilot factories where they can at least get a couple years out of pilots before they leave (cause god forbid you make the operation attractive enough to retain long term) then they need to adapt their training for lower time pilots. That way pilots will stick around long enough to get the experience they need before moving onto a career airline. Essentially allowing pilots to skip the “regional” step and go straight to a mainline carrier. No one with 1000 hrs looking to set themselves up for a future in this expensive country would consider these operations imo.

As these companies start to lose money due to lack of pilots (to a greater extent than they currently are) they’ll either smarten up or disappear.

This one from CMA is even more of a joke

Central Mountain Air
First Officer - Dash 8 - Calgary
- 1000 hours total time*
- 1000 MPIC
Salary: $46,000-$65,000

They want 1000hrs of Multi PIC to pay you $46,000/year! I seriously hope no one is actually considering this. Go to Encore or Jazz with that kind of time and make nearly double.

They are. I got a call from CMA with 700hrs last year. I was going to go through except they "said" I'm going to get the base I want 2 months after hire. I told them to put it in the agreement before I sign it. Never heard anything back. Dodged a bullet as now I am 150% more happy with what I got

Sunwest definitely has bonds.

lowoleo22 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 1:31 pm This one from CMA is even more of a joke

Central Mountain Air
First Officer - Dash 8 - Calgary
- 1000 hours total time*
- 1000 MPIC
Salary: $46,000-$65,000

They want 1000hrs of Multi PIC to pay you $46,000/year! I seriously hope no one is actually considering this. Go to Encore or Jazz with that kind of time and make nearly double.

These salaries suck, but let's be honest, neither jazz or encore pay anything close to double. In fact they pay about the same as the high end posted above for CMA.

khedrei wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:48 pm

lowoleo22 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 1:31 pm This one from CMA is even more of a joke

Central Mountain Air
First Officer - Dash 8 - Calgary
- 1000 hours total time*
- 1000 MPIC
Salary: $46,000-$65,000

They want 1000hrs of Multi PIC to pay you $46,000/year! I seriously hope no one is actually considering this. Go to Encore or Jazz with that kind of time and make nearly double.

These salaries suck, but let's be honest, neither jazz or encore pay anything close to double. In fact they pay about the same as the high end posted above for CMA.

I took the salaries as starting and top scale in which case, it’s still not double to start but it is about 45% higher and about 60% top scale, takes a while to get there though.
I would think hands down Jazz or Encore over the above mentioned companies but I’m biased

I assume the companies post higher requirements to weed out the 250 hr guys applying…”As it was in the past”

Most probably if you had the ballz to apply, you’ll get a response back.

But yea this is legit ridiculous for pay and work.

I think you airline guys are out of touch with reality.
Even last year there were plenty of 1000 hr guys not getting on with Jazz/Encore, where do you suggest these guys go? Is flying a king air/metro better on a resume or more cessna time?
Hiring has slowed dramatically this year, so “this hiring environment” isn’t exactly the same as 2022-2023.

What do you mean?

I hear an Air Canada 777 FO makes the same or less money.

‘Bob’ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:39 pm What do you mean?

I hear an Air Canada 777 FO makes the same or less money.

Bob knows a lot more than me about these things and the economy, but if I read things right, within a year any low timer getting a job should be thankful…..

Could be wrong of course.

rookiepilot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:58 am

‘Bob’ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:39 pm What do you mean?

I hear an Air Canada 777 FO makes the same or less money.

Bob knows a lot more than me about these things and the economy, but if I read things right, within a year any low timer getting a job should be thankful…..

Could be wrong of course.

You've been saying that since 2020, but if you make a thousand predictions then sooner or later one of them will be correct, I guess.

Diadem wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 5:28 am

rookiepilot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:58 am

‘Bob’ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:39 pm What do you mean?

I hear an Air Canada 777 FO makes the same or less money.

Bob knows a lot more than me about these things and the economy, but if I read things right, within a year any low timer getting a job should be thankful…..

Could be wrong of course.

You've been saying that since 2020, but if you make a thousand predictions then sooner or later one of them will be correct, I guess.

You guys all know more .

My only consistent advice to young pilots, has been don’t load up on debt, cause the future is uncertain. And even if it isn’t.

Sure your advice might be better.

Most recent CMA pay I know of is the Dornier Capt’s are getting offered 95K, 20 days a month working, 2 days off a week that are staggered.

You can go make 130K as a King Air 200 Capn and get 7-14 days off in a row, with way less working days a year. I don’t understand how they expect to attract and keep qualified captains with that kind of Pay/Sched.

Will be interesting once the AC contract is settled and everyone moves around.

95K is not enough to have a house and support a family these days! I can’t wait to see some more pay increases and QOL upgrades across the board.

Turboprops wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:43 pm I think you airline guys are out of touch with reality.
Even last year there were plenty of 1000 hr guys not getting on with Jazz/Encore, where do you suggest these guys go? Is flying a king air/metro better on a resume or more cessna time?
Hiring has slowed dramatically this year, so “this hiring environment” isn’t exactly the same as 2022-2023.

You should have seen what it looked like post-2001

CaptDukeNukem wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:59 am

Turboprops wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:43 pm I think you airline guys are out of touch with reality.
Even last year there were plenty of 1000 hr guys not getting on with Jazz/Encore, where do you suggest these guys go? Is flying a king air/metro better on a resume or more cessna time?
Hiring has slowed dramatically this year, so “this hiring environment” isn’t exactly the same as 2022-2023.

You should have seen what it looked like post-2001

I don’t know, I started my first job end of Oct 2001.

As far as Sunwest, whatever they post as a pay range you will definitely start at the bottom of that range and never see the top of that scale. Finding a raise is light finding hens teeth and you’ll get a lot of “you should be thankful for what you’ve got” from the current management. Plus bonds.

$42845.00/yr - $5600 tax - $36000 / year rent ?

Povertypack wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:38 pm

bigred63 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:00 am Does anyone out there have any up to date information on FO pay at CMA?

As of December 2019
Dash level 3 FO is $42845.00/yr and 24month $20500.00 training bond

Don’t know what level one would be but definitely lower which is pretty awful.

As far as the 1900 Captain level 1 is $57500/yr and a 12 month $10000.00 training bond.
Level 5 1900 FO is $40800/yr

I don’t know what their “Competitive Compensation” is being compared to.
Honestly if you want to make more money and have a good schedule you’re better off as a garbage man

$2800/ month rent + $200/ month utilities
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-apartments-cond ... 1698760917

$36000 / year rent

As of December 2019
Dash level 3 FO is $42845.00/yr and 24month $20500.00 training bond

$42845.00/yr - $5600 tax - $36000 / year rent ?

Does CMA pay for the car? cell?