When Will ALPA Accept a Deal?

[dontcallmeshirley]

Feeling the room. I personally think that the ACAMEC will accept a TA prior to a strike occuring, but after the strike notice is filed.

[joefo]

Let's reset everyone's expectations. This new contract will be better than the previous one, but it will not be ground breaking for Canada.

You're going to get a contract that you can read and understand without the help of a lawyer. Your starting rates are going to be flat rate and starting salary in the $75,000 to $85,000 per year range.

Air Canada is having little problem hiring and therefore have little incentive to beat the competition.

Getting nervous?

[dontcallmeshirley]

Let's reset everyone's expectations. This new contract will be better than the previous one, but it will not be ground breaking for Canada.

You're going to get a contract that you can read and understand without the help of a lawyer. Your starting rates are going to be flat rate and starting salary in the $75,000 to $85,000 per year range.

Air Canada is having little problem hiring and therefore have little incentive to beat the competition.

Getting nervous?

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

[cdnavater]

Feeling the room. I personally think that the ACAMEC will accept a TA prior to a strike occuring, but after the strike notice is filed.

That’s a question with no possible answer, it will depend on many variables, most Importantly what AC offers and how long they wait.
Right now it appears they are hitching their hopes to a failing Liberal government!

[8895]

Let's reset everyone's expectations. This new contract will be better than the previous one, but it will not be ground breaking for Canada.

You're going to get a contract that you can read and understand without the help of a lawyer. Your starting rates are going to be flat rate and starting salary in the $75,000 to $85,000 per year range.

Air Canada is having little problem hiring and therefore have little incentive to beat the competition.

Getting nervous?

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

Lmfao if that does end up being the new starting pay that horrible for the flag carrier of a country. In all seriousness unless you have a desire for long haul flying why would you apply to a company like AC? Everyone I know who’s left porter to go to AC has done nothing but complained, some even saying they’ve regretted it. AC should not be able to fill classes right now with what they’re offering

[CaptDukeNukem]

Getting nervous?

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

Lmfao if that does end up being the new starting pay that horrible for the flag carrier of a country. In all seriousness unless you have a desire for long haul flying why would you apply to a company like AC? Everyone I know who’s left porter to go to AC has done nothing but complained, some even saying they’ve regretted it. AC should not be able to fill classes right now with what they’re offering

Amen.

The grass isn’t greener

[Victory]

I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

Why do you feel it likely a pilot at Air Canada will earn less than I made flying a Cessna Caravan in 2004?

[bcflyer]

Let's reset everyone's expectations. This new contract will be better than the previous one, but it will not be ground breaking for Canada.

You're going to get a contract that you can read and understand without the help of a lawyer. Your starting rates are going to be flat rate and starting salary in the $75,000 to $85,000 per year range.

Air Canada is having little problem hiring and therefore have little incentive to beat the competition.

Getting nervous?

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

Nobody will vote yes if that’s the new hire pay. It simply won’t pass.

[joefo]

Let's reset everyone's expectations. This new contract will be better than the previous one, but it will not be ground breaking for Canada.

You're going to get a contract that you can read and understand without the help of a lawyer. Your starting rates are going to be flat rate and starting salary in the $75,000 to $85,000 per year range.

Air Canada is having little problem hiring and therefore have little incentive to beat the competition.

Getting nervous?

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

And what is it that makes you think ACAMEC will get a starting salary below Porter, WJ and Flair? That’s just delusional

[truedude]

Getting nervous?

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

And what is it that makes you think ACAMEC will get a starting salary below Porter, WJ and Flair? That’s just delusional

In 2024, no one operating at the flag carrier, should be making less than 100,000 day 1. And top 777 guys should be 400,000. Anything less is an insult.

[dontcallmeshirley]

Getting nervous?

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

And what is it that makes you think ACAMEC will get a starting salary below Porter, WJ and Flair? That’s just delusional

ALPA has a history in Canada. They promise their pilots the world, then accept 70% and tell their pilots that if they don't accept the offer, the company will cease operations.

I hope I am wrong. I would love to see Air Canada pilots set the bar high instead of accepting current Canadian industry standards.

[Dry Guy]

I hope I am wrong.

The worst part of this has been these people.

[digits_]

I hope I am wrong.

The worst part of this has been these people.

Why? There's a difference between what one thinks will happen, and what one hopes will happen.

[khedrei]

Getting nervous?

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

And what is it that makes you think ACAMEC will get a starting salary below Porter, WJ and Flair? That’s just delusional

80k would put them below flair only. WJ and porter start lower than 80k.

[dontcallmeshirley]

I hope I am wrong.

The worst part of this has been these people.

These people? Are you referring to the fact that I'm pessimistic or that I don't have a vote, but that I'm still commenting on it?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

And what is it that makes you think ACAMEC will get a starting salary below Porter, WJ and Flair? That’s just delusional

80k would put them below flair only. WJ and porter start lower than 80k.

Pretty sure Porter is ready to open up the cheque book. They’re just waiting to see how many zeros they gotta put. But maybe not. It’s all just smoke and mirrors.

[Flyboy736]

Let's reset everyone's expectations. This new contract will be better than the previous one, but it will not be ground breaking for Canada.

You're going to get a contract that you can read and understand without the help of a lawyer. Your starting rates are going to be flat rate and starting salary in the $75,000 to $85,000 per year range.

Air Canada is having little problem hiring and therefore have little incentive to beat the competition.

Getting nervous?

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

Kind of dumb of me for feeding the troll, but for everyone's knowledge 75k is drastically less than AC's last freely negotiated contract (2003) inflation adjusted. That being said, don't take it too seriously one guy's random opinion doesn't mean anything for all you know it's a manager desperately trying to tame expectations so he can get his x-mas bonus

[dontcallmeshirley]

Getting nervous?

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

Kind of dumb of me for feeding the troll, but for everyone's knowledge 75k is drastically less than AC's last freely negotiated contract (2003) inflation adjusted. That being said, don't take it too seriously one guy's random opinion doesn't mean anything for all you know it's a manager desperately trying to tame expectations so he can get his x-mas bonus

I'm a troll for expressing my opinion that I don't believe that Air Canada pilots are going to get what ALPA promised? Dismissing me and my opinion is just sticking your head in the sand.

Here's an idea for you: accept that some people have differing opinions and try to understand their experiences that lead them to those conclusions. I might be wrong, but there is a non-zero chance that I am correct to any degree.

Edit: And for the record, the most recently reported offer was around 75k starting. You are asking for an additional 33% on top of that. I agree that AC pilots should start at 100k, but that doesn't mean I think it's going to happen.

[Nick678]

Nervous, no. I stand by my earlier statement of my expectation that the ACAMEC will get a starting salary of 75-85 per year. I also believe that they will not actually strike and will call off a strike notice by 10:30PM on the eve of the strike.

Kind of dumb of me for feeding the troll, but for everyone's knowledge 75k is drastically less than AC's last freely negotiated contract (2003) inflation adjusted. That being said, don't take it too seriously one guy's random opinion doesn't mean anything for all you know it's a manager desperately trying to tame expectations so he can get his x-mas bonus

I'm a troll for expressing my opinion that I don't believe that Air Canada pilots are going to get what ALPA promised? Dismissing me and my opinion is just sticking your head in the sand.

Here's an idea for you: accept that some people have differing opinions and try to understand their experiences that lead them to those conclusions. I might be wrong, but there is a non-zero chance that I am correct to any degree.

Edit: And for the record, the most recently reported offer was around 75k starting. You are asking for an additional 33% on top of that. I agree that AC pilots should start at 100k, but that doesn't mean I think it's going to happen.

Opinions are like assholes……

[dontcallmeshirley]

Opinions are like assholes……

Sure, but this forum is up for discourse on aviation topics.

I'm not going to bleach my thoughts just to prevent offending a few people who can't accept that someone doesn't think that they are going to get the contract that they think.

[GIVCE!]

Again, not many here care one bit what YOU think. You have no influence over this process whatsoever.

[vanislepilot]

I don’t think I am wrong for thinking a 100k to start is still too little. Way less than what our peers make 50 km south of Toronto.

I think it should start around 120k and go up to 160-170 the following

777 guys should make 500+

[‘Bob’]

Feeling the room. I personally think that the ACAMEC will accept a TA prior to a strike occuring, but after the strike notice is filed.

That’s a question with no possible answer, it will depend on many variables, most Importantly what AC offers and how long they wait.
Right now it appears they are hitching their hopes to a failing Liberal government!

What do the Liberals have to do with any of this?

Remember when the Conservatives wouldnt let you strike?

[cdnavater]

Feeling the room. I personally think that the ACAMEC will accept a TA prior to a strike occuring, but after the strike notice is filed.

That’s a question with no possible answer, it will depend on many variables, most Importantly what AC offers and how long they wait.
Right now it appears they are hitching their hopes to a failing Liberal government!

What do the Liberals have to do with any of this?

Remember when the Conservatives wouldnt let you strike?

Yes BOB, the conservatives have interfered with collective bargaining in the past, they are NOT the current fucking government, the minority Liberals who need the support of either the Bloc or NDP to pass any legislation are!
In my opinion, any party who supports the Liberals interfering with yet another labour groups right to fair bargaining will be committing political suicide, of course that’s just an opinion.
I don’t know much about the bloc but I do think Quebecers are pro labour and a militant bunch who don’t really care for government meddling, so, I don’t see them supporting Trudope

[Bede]

What do the Liberals have to do with any of this?

Remember when the Conservatives wouldnt let you strike?

Important difference is that in 2013, AC was on the verge of CCAA 2.0 and the union negotiated a TA. In this case, Air Canada is swimming in $2B in profits. Also, the SCC hadn't yet clarified a Charter right to strike yet.