No Fly Lists.

[rookiepilot]

Something I don’t understand. Please explain it to me like I’m 8 years old.

Post 9/11 many people, deemed potential terrorist threats were placed on a no fly list.

Today, its become perfectly acceptable to publicly call for jihad against Israel and even the elimination of the Jewish people. Yet I read no one charged with hate crimes that are part of our legal system, and no one placed on no fly lists.

There are events planned on Oct 7th. Not a word denouncing this from our government.

What gives? WTF is wrong with us tolerating this every day? (I am not Jewish, but that’s irrelevant to my post anyway)

[khedrei]

It's quite simple really. Some people are allowed to spew "hate speech". Others are not. Check your privlidge.

It's not hate speech when they do it. It is when you do it.

[Daigo]

What about people who call "jihad" on Palestinians? Would you be okay with them being put on the no fly list? There's countless videos of those calling for palestinian genocide and those actually commiting it over there.


Very tunnel visioned view you have

[BigQ]

I believe this applies...

[Red_Comet]

True, we should be de-banking and denying basic rights to people we disagree with. After all, we wouldn't want to tolerate HATE!!!!

And of course, the mainstream media narrative is 100% factual on geopolitical events. There definitely aren't massive un-regulated lobbies funding politicians and media companies to smear specific peoples and countries. We live in the land of the FREE dammit!!!

[Tbayer2021]

Sir, this is a Wendy's!

[rookiepilot]

I thought it was a legitimate security question that should be asked by any pilot.

Guess other media spoon fed anti Israel hate bias trumps security concerns.

If MSM and BBC declared the world was flat, betcha half of the pilots even would believe them.

[‘Bob’]

Please, give me an example of anyone being placed on a no fly list due to their opinions rather than their violent actions or CREDIBLE terrorism threats.

Because really, over half of Canada wouldn’t be able to fly based on their public opinion of Justin Trudeau if what you are saying was even remotely true.

Besides, is Israel not a terrorist state? Did they not just set off explosives in thousands of pagers which indiscriminately killed several civilians including children, and injured hundreds of others.. in violation of many international laws? Did they not just drop a couple thousand pounds of ordnance on Lebanon to kill one person but also killed and injured many civilians?

Both sides are awful and deserve all of the wrath and hatred any civilized society can muster. It’s not a hate crime to hate a government or organization. Many Jews hate Israel, too.

[rookiepilot]

Please, give me an example of anyone being placed on a no fly list due to their opinions rather than their violent actions or CREDIBLE terrorism threats.

Because really, over half of Canada wouldn’t be able to fly based on their public opinion of Justin Trudeau if what you are saying was even remotely true.

Besides, is Israel not a terrorist state? Did they not just set off explosives in thousands of pagers which indiscriminately killed several civilians including children, and injured hundreds of others.. in violation of many international laws? Did they not just drop a couple thousand pounds of ordnance on Lebanon to kill one person but also killed and injured many civilians?

Both sides are awful and deserve all of the wrath and hatred any civilized society can muster. It’s not a hate crime to hate a government or organization. Many Jews hate Israel, too.

Off topic, but…

The ugly protests out there in Jewish neighbourhoods —advocating extermination— and also not in their proper place, in front of the Israel embassy if this was legitimate criticism— have NOTHING to do with Gaza / Lebanon.

That fact places them not in the realm of legitimate criticism, but terror / hate crime, and that is an aircraft security risk. But JT watches. Doesn’t want to offend the few voters he has left.

But go ahead and drink the left wing propaganda.

What the IDF is doing is war. They have the right to defend themselves against terror, following Oct 7, just as America did, post 9/11.

The other side doesn’t like it, return all hostages, completely disarm, and surrender all terrorists.

[pelmet]

Besides, is Israel not a terrorist state? Did they not just set off explosives in thousands of pagers which indiscriminately killed several civilians including children, and injured hundreds of others.. in violation of many international laws? Did they not just drop a couple thousand pounds of ordnance on Lebanon to kill one person but also killed and injured many civilians?

Both sides are awful and deserve all of the wrath and hatred any civilized society can muster. It’s not a hate crime to hate a government or organization. Many Jews hate Israel, too.

Pathetic.

Personally, I love Israel and what its inhabitants have created. The ones who hate them virtually all have destructive political ideas of one sort or another.

This link proves no international law was broken as it is legal to have a certain proportion of civilian casualties….

https://www.e-ir.info/2022/05/27/the-la ... arian-law/

I thought the pager/walkie talkie thing was incredible. The amount of innocent lives saved(who would have been killed by these pager victims in actual criminal actions is huge.

Gotta admit, I found the news of the page attack fascinating but literally laughed out loud when I heard the walkie talkie thing, the next day.

[khedrei]

Edit. Found my answer.

[Daigo]

Please, give me an example of anyone being placed on a no fly list due to their opinions rather than their violent actions or CREDIBLE terrorism threats.

Because really, over half of Canada wouldn’t be able to fly based on their public opinion of Justin Trudeau if what you are saying was even remotely true.

Besides, is Israel not a terrorist state? Did they not just set off explosives in thousands of pagers which indiscriminately killed several civilians including children, and injured hundreds of others.. in violation of many international laws? Did they not just drop a couple thousand pounds of ordnance on Lebanon to kill one person but also killed and injured many civilians?

Both sides are awful and deserve all of the wrath and hatred any civilized society can muster. It’s not a hate crime to hate a government or organization. Many Jews hate Israel, too.

Off topic, but…

The ugly protests out there in Jewish neighbourhoods —advocating extermination— and also not in their proper place, in front of the Israel embassy if this was legitimate criticism— have NOTHING to do with Gaza / Lebanon.

That fact places them not in the realm of legitimate criticism, but terror / hate crime, and that is an aircraft security risk. But JT watches. Doesn’t want to offend the few voters he has left.

But go ahead and drink the left wing propaganda.

What the IDF is doing is war. They have the right to defend themselves against terror, following Oct 7, just as America did, post 9/11.

The other side doesn’t like it, return all hostages, completely disarm, and surrender all terrorists.

When its the side you like killing the people you don't like it's war. When the people you favour are killed its terrorism. You reject opinions you dont like as "leftist progopanda" when the same can be said for your conservative rhetoric

The fact that you absolutely cannot dispute is the isreali state has killed in orders of magnitude many more civilians than the other side has. And has been displacing palestinans for decades in favour of european/american settlers with increasing annexation. This has been the result of every single conflict they've had throughout the decades including this one. These arent opinions or propaganda. And if you cant draw obvious conclusions based on those facts then you have some serious issues

[itsgrosswhatinet]

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[rookiepilot]

Please, give me an example of anyone being placed on a no fly list due to their opinions rather than their violent actions or CREDIBLE terrorism threats.

Because really, over half of Canada wouldn’t be able to fly based on their public opinion of Justin Trudeau if what you are saying was even remotely true.

Besides, is Israel not a terrorist state? Did they not just set off explosives in thousands of pagers which indiscriminately killed several civilians including children, and injured hundreds of others.. in violation of many international laws? Did they not just drop a couple thousand pounds of ordnance on Lebanon to kill one person but also killed and injured many civilians?

Both sides are awful and deserve all of the wrath and hatred any civilized society can muster. It’s not a hate crime to hate a government or organization. Many Jews hate Israel, too.

Off topic, but…

The ugly protests out there in Jewish neighbourhoods —advocating extermination— and also not in their proper place, in front of the Israel embassy if this was legitimate criticism— have NOTHING to do with Gaza / Lebanon.

That fact places them not in the realm of legitimate criticism, but terror / hate crime, and that is an aircraft security risk. But JT watches. Doesn’t want to offend the few voters he has left.

But go ahead and drink the left wing propaganda.

What the IDF is doing is war. They have the right to defend themselves against terror, following Oct 7, just as America did, post 9/11.

The other side doesn’t like it, return all hostages, completely disarm, and surrender all terrorists.

When its the side you like killing the people you don't like it's war. When the people you favour are killed its terrorism. You reject opinions you dont like as "leftist progopanda" when the same can be said for your conservative rhetoric

The fact that you absolutely cannot dispute is the isreali state has killed in orders of magnitude many more civilians than the other side has. And has been displacing palestinans for decades in favour of european/american settlers with increasing annexation. This has been the result of every single conflict they've had throughout the decades including this one. These arent opinions or propaganda. And if you cant draw obvious conclusions based on those facts then you have some serious issues

Ah. So Oct 7th didn't happen, or was justified somehow as I read everywhere. People saying that have issues.....

Is Israel allowed to defend themselves, yes or no?

Maybe the other side shouldn't start stuff against one of the best trained militaries in the world, if they don't want retaliation, no?

[North Shore]

This is going to go nowhere; it’s also tangentally connected to aviation.