missinippi caravan pictures

confused · Post by **confused** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:23 pm

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:32 pm

edited because my old post no longer makes sense....

Axial Flow · Post by **Axial Flow** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:12 pm

Holy crap that's insane pics !

Too bad for the Caravan though.

Otter envy · Post by **Otter envy** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:31 pm

That guy was popular around the office after that I bet.

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:28 pm

when & where was this?

DEFPOTEC · Post by **DEFPOTEC** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:10 pm

great catch!!

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:19 pm

Nestor 1? 2? Or farther north? Hope everyone was o.k.

giligan · Post by **giligan** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:05 pm

Just out of curosity, can any one comment on what flap setting is shown in the nose down pic, and is it the correct one? I understand the correct flap setting is quite critical.
g

snapped · Post by **snapped** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:42 pm

From the pics the flap setting looks fine. To make a long story short a caravan shouldn't of been doing that kind of work. But I guess people will do anything for a buck.

rd1331 · Post by **rd1331** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:57 pm

20' Flap is normal. But if you need to at the last minute u can pop 30' and it gets you off, but as soon as your airborn and while you are still in ground effect you need to go back to 20'. That is not a cessna recommended procedure but it can save your ass. But it has to be done right, you get above ground effect and u pop them back to 20' and you can drop outta the sky pretty easy. But it is only a last minute resort if you fucked up and did something you shouldn't.....not something that should be done to make it so you can take more than you should. Also transient power on the van works very well in an emergency. But the best safety is not going outside the van's performance limits. The above work but should only be use in an emergency. But they don't always work. Use the airplane to its limits and not above and you shouldn't have problem and have to do the 30' or transient power tricks.

Alright speal over.

At the end of the day the first question should be is everyone alright.

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:14 am

Happened a few weeks ago at Oaks Esker. Everyone walked away, from what I heard. Shame about OCN, seemed like a nice plane.

bugspray · Post by **bugspray** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:17 am

what was a caravan doing there in the first place

185/310 · Post by **185/310** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:51 am

Bottom line is who took these pics, and why they put them on avcan, its a situation that happenend and done, everybody made it out okay and thats the main thing. Exspecially a situation that happened some time ago. There are some things that maybe shouldnt of happened which I hope everybody learns from, but majority time u get people on here that have no experience on here what so ever about flying into a northern strip, u get guys flying into a 5000 foot strip with a turbine 172. If somebody f..ks up on that they got problems, which dosent make this situation right but makes u think if u should even coment about it.

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:55 am

@#$!..... if the guy went in he went in... what more is there to comment on? turbine 172??????? What's your point??????

Flaps30Greenlight · Post by **Flaps30Greenlight** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:03 am

Nice....

Dont they do that with Skidoo's up here?

dream chaser · Post by **dream chaser** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:19 am

The flap setting is correct as shown in the picture at 20 degrees. rd1331 is absolutely on the ball with the comments about 30 degrees and transient power. The key is to have the balls to say enough is enough and be conservative with the numbers. Yeah, yeah, I know what people are going to say...there aren't any published numbers for those situations (taking off on eskers). Well, if you haven't flown the van long enough to know what it can and can't do, maybe you shouldn't be taking it to 1400' eskers and loading it without scales to a weight you "FIGURE" it can handle. Play it safe, you live longer that way.

GARRETT · Post by **GARRETT** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:40 am

Great pics! I think who ever took these pics knew what was about to happen and figured it should be documented for the TSB investigation team.
You should maybe think twice about taking off when all the ground crew are running for their cameras to watch you depart!

Glad nobody was killed.

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:26 am

GARRETT wrote:You should maybe think twice about taking off when all the ground crew are running for their cameras to watch you depart!
Glad nobody was killed.

Ahh. A true bit of wisdom.

pilotbc69 · Post by **pilotbc69** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:06 pm

Of those that have flown bush I am sure everyone has dozens of stories when they loaded the shit out of their planes and can't believe they made it over that tree, valley, lake..whatever. Case in point of a time when it didn't make it. Just a lesson that when your sphincter tightens...rip the throttle back and try it again. No old bold pilots. My cowboy days are almost over. thank god I made it this far.

PT6-114A · Post by **PT6-114A** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:47 pm

we should ask if they have any pic's of the load being put on.

V1CUT · Post by **V1CUT** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:34 pm

the aircraft wasn't close to gross weight (just for you vultures i will specify it was BELOW), there was only one pax, pilot plus gear. it was a case of bad luck which could happen to each and everyone of you including myself (which i hope it never does, for more reasons then one, but mostly because i would have to read about it day after day, and your own kind stabbing you in the back instead of learning what could have been done different to prevent it from happening again) you werent there you don't know the exact conditions or any other facts so lay off the guy.

V

goldeneagle · Post by **goldeneagle** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:31 am

bugspray wrote:what was a caravan doing there in the first place

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, just look at the photos. Obviously it was trying to take off, that's what it was doing.....

Nightflight · Post by **Nightflight** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:39 am

V1CUT wrote:you werent there you don't know the exact conditions or any other facts so lay off the guy.V

My sentiments exactly! It's all too easy to be an armchair critic.

Anonymous1 · Post by **Anonymous1** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:22 am

Its not a case of bad luck if a plane crashes. I would think the main reason this aircraft crashed was because the ops manager chose to accept this contract rather than sling it out with the chopper parked there. Then again, it may have cost him his job to not meet the monthly sales quota and this pressure would have tempted him to try this work.

Flybabe · Post by **Flybabe** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:52 pm

Would anyone have a Google Earth link for Oaks Esker?