Fleet Reduction

[AA123455]

So you folks are going to loose 6-8 Q400's a year until 2028? Fleet settling in around 25, down from 39 today. Did I read that right?

[cdnavater]

So you folks are going to loose 6-8 Q400's a year until 2028? Fleet settling in around 25, down from 39 today. Did I read that right?

Read what?

[AA123455]

Chorus Q3 released today.

Aircraft
Leased
under the
Dash 8-400 CPA 34 (3) 31 (6) 25
Other Covered Aircraft 5 (5) -- -- --
39 (8) 31 (6) 25

Lease expiry dates for owned aircraft are as follows:
Dash 8-400's: six expiries in 2027; seven expiries
in 2028 and 12 expiries in 2030; and for CRJ900's:
five in 2028; eight in 2032 and one in 2033.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Their CBA is good till 2035. So no worries. It’s not like other operators are flying for AC… oh wait

[Inverted2]

Not really a secret. Going down to 80 tails.

25 E175
30 CRJ
25 Q400
———
80

[AA123455]

So if Jazz is shrinking quickly, why is PAL expanding? What did Jazz do wrong to p*ss off Air Canada?

[cdnavater]

Chorus Q3 released today.

Aircraft
Leased
under the
Dash 8-400 CPA 34 (3) 31 (6) 25
Other Covered Aircraft 5 (5) -- -- --
39 (8) 31 (6) 25

Lease expiry dates for owned aircraft are as follows:
Dash 8-400's: six expiries in 2027; seven expiries
in 2028 and 12 expiries in 2030; and for CRJ900's:
five in 2028; eight in 2032 and one in 2033.

Lease expiry doesn’t mean they won’t be renewed, as said guaranteed 80 aircraft to 2035, of course if the situation changes where we could staff more(unlikely), they could renew some of those, RJs will obviously be renewed given the fleet composition forecast.

[flyingcanuck]

So if Jazz is shrinking quickly, why is PAL expanding? What did Jazz do wrong to p*ss off Air Canada?

Nothing, it was self induced. AC screwed the Jazz pilots with the "flow" agreement so people stopped going there and eventually alot of captains left to AC. Instead of raising WAWACON they just went to PAL, like they did with GGN, Sky regional etc..

[cdnavater]

AC is spending millions on Jazz owned aircraft, via interior refurbishment, gate to gate internet, lighter seats and the latest is the 5 Skywest leases RJs are possibly being extended past the end of this year.
This is hard fact, exclusive of the lease extension which is so far rumor, this is not a signal of AC ridding themselves of Jazz.
They will always use the diversification tool, it has always worked in the past to keep Jazz pilots from getting too rigid, they want us to be in fear so we cave a little easier, that’s the true benefit of the long term contract, it can only improve, can’t get any worse.

[Man_in_the_sky]

AC is spending millions on Jazz owned aircraft, via interior refurbishment, gate to gate internet, lighter seats and the latest is the 5 Skywest leases RJs are possibly being extended past the end of this year.
This is hard fact, exclusive of the lease extension which is so far rumor, this is not a signal of AC ridding themselves of Jazz.
They will always use the diversification tool, it has always worked in the past to keep Jazz pilots from getting too rigid, they want us to be in fear so we cave a little easier, that’s the true benefit of the long term contract, it can only improve, can’t get any worse.

Oh yeah, everyone loved the contract on the line! Best thing around

[NovaBoy]

Personally I think PAL is only being used as a stop gap until AC acquires more aircraft, and eventually PAL’s AC flying will be taken over by jets. Either JAZZ or mainline. The YYT, YOW, YQX, BOS and EWR routes out of YHZ should be done on a jet.

[rudder]

AC is spending millions on Jazz owned aircraft, via interior refurbishment, gate to gate internet, lighter seats and the latest is the 5 Skywest leases RJs are possibly being extended past the end of this year.
This is hard fact, exclusive of the lease extension which is so far rumor, this is not a signal of AC ridding themselves of Jazz.
They will always use the diversification tool, it has always worked in the past to keep Jazz pilots from getting too rigid, they want us to be in fear so we cave a little easier, that’s the true benefit of the long term contract, it can only improve, can’t get any worse.

Those $million$ are a pittance compared to the billion that should have been spent on jet fleet renewal at Jazz/Express.

New seats and bins do not equal job security.

[Inverted2]

A good share of the jet fleet is now approaching 20 years old. Maintenance guys leaving in droves as the competition pays more too.

[rudder]

A good share of the jet fleet is now approaching 20 years old. Maintenance guys leaving in droves as the competition pays more too.

The absence of a fleet renewal announcement (new jet airframes) in any fashion speaks volumes about the future of Express.