Moonlighting while at AC

[iNCApacitated]

Are you allowed to get a part-time job flying while employed as flight crew at AC?

TIA

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

Part time jobs are actually encouraged and borderline expected to get through the bad entry pay.

The union weaponized this fact during negotiations to then @#$! their junior pilots to show solidarity.

It was amazing work.

Good luck!

[khedrei]

Part time jobs are actually encouraged and borderline expected to get through the bad entry pay.

The union weaponized this fact during negotiations to then @#$! their junior pilots to show solidarity.

It was amazing work.

Good luck!

It's funny cause it's true.

[TheStig]

Not true at all.

Scope is a two way street. The pilots have contractual language over the airlines scope and the airline has language in place for pilots (who actually work for AC). No flying for Part 7 operations will be permitted unless on LOA or authorized by the VP FOps. There are restrictions on other flying to ensure that rest and fitness for duty are complied with. Lot's of active pilots work for flight schools, RCAF reservists and jobs outside of aviation.

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

I said part time jobs Stig. I never mentioned flying.

But you can't fly for another air carrier. Military guys are allowed to fly part time and others fly corporate.

Outside income to subsidize shit starting pay is encouraged. Days off are meant for side gigs and jobs.

This is the way.

[TheStig]

I was replying to the OP's actual question not your continued shitposting.

Please point out one public remark, bulletin, yammer post..anything...where pilots are encouraged to work second jobs to subsidise their full-time $90,000/year (excluding pension, ESOP match, per-diem, and benefits) job?

[Flyboy736]

I was replying to the OP's actual question not your contined shitposting.

Please point out one public remark, bulletin, yammer post..anything...where pilots are encouraged to work second jobs to subsidise their full-time $90,000/year (excluding pension, ESOP match, per-diem, and benefits) job?

When did year one start making 90k?

[khedrei]

I was replying to the OP's actual question not your contined shitposting.

Please point out one public remark, bulletin, yammer post..anything...where pilots are encouraged to work second jobs to subsidise their full-time $90,000/year (excluding pension, ESOP match, per-diem, and benefits) job?

When did year one start making 90k?

Forget year 1. Yr 2 FOs across the board and even some yr 3 RPs are still under 90k.

AC pilots. Getting them next time since 2003.

[PeakLeverage]

I was replying to the OP's actual question not your contined shitposting.

Please point out one public remark, bulletin, yammer post..anything...where pilots are encouraged to work second jobs to subsidise their full-time $90,000/year (excluding pension, ESOP match, per-diem, and benefits) job?

When did year one start making 90k?

Well at least you can see how it happened. You got guys on here who don't even know what the junior guys are making and defending laughing stock pay.

Although Stig did drop out the bonus part...we gave that away. $18k I won't be getting next year.

[Canadianpilot2024]

Airbus A220 - First Officer
Hourly Annual Salary (Annual USD)
Year 1 87.48 78,732 ($56,000)
Year 2 94.81 85,329 ($61,000)
Year 3 116.17 104,553 ($75,000)
Year 4 124.17 111,753 ($80,000)
Year 5 159.64 143,676 ($102,000)
Year 6 165.57 149,013 ($106,000)
Year 7 171.60 154,440 ($110,000)
Year 8 177.74 159,966 ($114,000)
Year 9 183.99 165,591 ($118,000)
Year 10 190.34 171,306 ($122,000)
Year 11 196.80 177,120 ($126,000)
Year 12 203.38 183,042 ($130,000)

[goingnowherefast]

I know one who worked ar home depot in the first couple years of AC.

[BillytheKid]

Airbus A220 - First Officer
Hourly Annual Salary (Annual USD)
Year 1 87.48 78,732 ($56,000)
Year 2 94.81 85,329 ($61,000)
Year 3 116.17 104,553 ($75,000)
Year 4 124.17 111,753 ($80,000)
Year 5 159.64 143,676 ($102,000)
Year 6 165.57 149,013 ($106,000)
Year 7 171.60 154,440 ($110,000)
Year 8 177.74 159,966 ($114,000)
Year 9 183.99 165,591 ($118,000)
Year 10 190.34 171,306 ($122,000)
Year 11 196.80 177,120 ($126,000)
Year 12 203.38 183,042 ($130,000)

How does this compare to Delta / United / JetBlue etc

[Blueontop]

I was replying to the OP's actual question not your contined shitposting.

Please point out one public remark, bulletin, yammer post..anything...where pilots are encouraged to work second jobs to subsidise their full-time $90,000/year (excluding pension, ESOP match, per-diem, and benefits) job?

Tell us you are completely out of touch with saying you are completely out of touch…

P.S. and his “contined shitpost (whatever contined means) is 100% spot on and totally called for.

[TheStig]

Edited to add a 'u'.

Shitposting is what I see from the group of 4 or 5 users who joined this forum in fall who jump into every AC thread to continue with their temper tantrums over not getting 200% raises, 100% credit deadheads, 1:2 THG and whatever else they felt entitled to. They should get everything they want but everyone else is greedy.

I'll stand by $ 90K a year until someone posts their 2024 T4 showing the quoted $78,372/year.

My reply to the OP was accurate and yet the sentiment is I'm out of touch with reality? How uninformed do you have to be to think that junior pilots would ever have received $18,000 bonuses under the previous contract?

[stall]

Edited to add a 'u'.

Shitposting is what I see from the group of 4 or 5 users who joined this forum in fall who jump into every AC thread to continue with their temper tantrums over not getting 200% raises, 100% credit deadheads, 1:2 THG and whatever else they felt entitled to. They should get everything they want but everyone else is greedy.

I'll stand by $ 90K a year until someone posts their 2024 T4 showing the quoted $78,372/year.

My reply to the OP was accurate and yet the sentiment is I'm out of touch with reality? How uninformed do you have to be to think that junior pilots would ever have received $18,000 bonuses under the previous contract?

Maybe he isn't junior? Why are you assuming that? The bonus was paid on a combo of gross and shared equally.

Entitled? Are Air Canada pilots are not "entitled" to a industry standard contract like their corporate lords? You do realize in public documents the Execs compare themselves to large US airlines. When did you become such shill and actively working against your colleagues

And love the bonus comment. It was already industry lagging in terms of metrics but now it is gone. I guess those "entitled" pilots don't deserve any sort of incentive plan like every other airline pilot.

[Montroyal]

Air Canada pilots will always be the butthole of the big global airlines if they continue to come up with excuses & acuse colleagues of being "entitled" when they know their value.

It is tragic the opportunity that was blown with this MEC.

[TheStig]

I know how the previous bonus plan was calculated. Sure, maybe Peakleverage is a 777 Captain and the airline will hit the max EBITDAR (a situation that would still provide a bonus next year). Somehow I don't think that's the case and inaccurate for any junior pilot to interpret the change to the bonus plan as costing them $18,000.

If Canadian pilots could easily move to the US like other high earning professions (Executives included) AC would have a 'World Class Contract'. Unfortunately, foreign pilots can easily immigrate to Canada, while we have nearly no access to the world's largest airline industry. The US generates economic prosperity like no society in history, while we have Justin Trudeau and a voting base that supports politicians who think like him. Speaking of the Federal Government, how much leverage do you think ALPA lost the moment the CIRB ended the railway strike?

Air Canada is acutely aware of everything I've just mentioned and not willing to give an extra penny. Go ahead and call me a shill or whatever, but not out of touch with reality. The reality is that as much as we like to think that pickets, lanyards, ALPA and strike mandates are going to result in a world class contract the negotiating committee and MEC hit a wall. They had to choose whether to put the 1.9B in gains to a vote or risk a strike and the likelihood of an arbitrated contract. All the good will from posting T4's on Reddit quickly evaporates the second the public finds out that the union turned down a 46% increase in the value of their contract. Railway and Port strikes take about a week for the public to notice, airline strikes are immediate.

The AC pilot's contract isn't world class and still has lots of room for improvement, the latest contract is still a big step forward and I'd like to see the group and all pilots in Canada continue in the right direction.

[altiplano]

The only way to get more is to go all the way to test the true limit.

We didn't get there. We didn't have the balls and the company knew it.

We were still not even 72 hours prior to a strike position and hadn't issued strike notice and the company pulled one thing off the table, said they weren't bargaining anymore. and gave us until midnight to take it or the rest of the deal was getting pulled.

Our guys didn't have the stomach to walk away and tell them to do their worst. Yeah, that's pretty fucking hard staring down $1.9B and walking out when they try to light the burning platform. But that's what you have to do. Don't just stand there and get burnt. We knew the company would pull this, that's their M.O. and we had to walk out, that should have been predetermined.

You will never find the limit until you truly push for it and past it. That takes sacrifice in the now.

As to the junior entitled bunch? Yeah, we all should have done better but as a percentage 1-4 made out better than everyone else. You're crazy if you think CA rates should be even lower to better compensate you. That's your rate in a few years and for the rest of your career.

[CaliforniaDreamin]

The only way to get more is to go all the way to test the true limit.

We didn't get there. We didn't have the balls and the company knew it.

We were still not even 72 hours prior to a strike position and hadn't issued strike notice and the company pulled one thing off the table, said they weren't bargaining anymore. and gave us until midnight to take it or the rest of the deal was getting pulled.

Our guys didn't have the stomach to walk away and tell them to do their worst. Yeah, that's pretty fucking hard staring down $1.9B and walking out when they try to light the burning platform. But that's what you have to do. Don't just stand there and get burnt. We knew the company would pull this, that's their M.O. and we had to walk out, that should have been predetermined.

You will never find the limit until you truly push for it and past it. That takes sacrifice in the now.

As to the junior entitled bunch? Yeah, we all should have done better but as a percentage 1-4 made out better than everyone else. You're crazy if you think CA rates should be even lower to better compensate you. That's your rate in a few years and for the rest of your career.

I don't think too many are arguing that anyone should make less.

All this sort of shit is all sorted out if you follow US Industry contracts.

The metric you are looking for is Percentage of Captain pay.

If you compare those numbers particularly for year 1 - 4...it is absolutely tragic. Air Canada FOs & RPs (why do they even exisit) pay roughly HALF of percentage of Captain pay to say United. It is a tainted curve. Top end B777s across the board are not that far from each other without taking into account exchange rates. If you fix percentage of Captain pay, it fixes the problems for junior pilots and it has no effect on Captain pay. In fact, FOs with higher percentage of Captain will benefit even more from higher Captain pay. That is how you Win as One.

It is absolutely ludacris to say they "made out better than everyone else" when it simply horse shit. Look at the metrics.

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

I know how the previous bonus plan was calculated. Sure, maybe Peakleverage is a 777 Captain and the airline will hit the max EBITDAR (a situation that would still provide a bonus next year). Somehow I don't think that's the case and inaccurate for any junior pilot to interpret the change to the bonus plan as costing them $18,000.

This is WRONG

There is ZERO CHANCE anyone is getting a bonus next year.

They moved the EBITDAR to a level that will be above any payout for pilots.

Don't worry...the Execs will still get their bonus.

[Ash Ketchum]

Got to take that early upgrade but who knows how long that will last. My guess is things slow down in the next 2 years with a possible recession on the horizon.

[CaliforniaDreamin]

Got to take that early upgrade but who knows how long that will last. My guess is things slow down in the next 2 years with a possible recession on the horizon.

Wouldn't it be better if they just paid properly out of the gates and treated pilots like professionals?

And the union fought for this?

[Man_in_the_sky]

Edited to add a 'u'.

Shitposting is what I see from the group of 4 or 5 users who joined this forum in fall who jump into every AC thread to continue with their temper tantrums over not getting 200% raises, 100% credit deadheads, 1:2 THG and whatever else they felt entitled to. They should get everything they want but everyone else is greedy.

I'll stand by $ 90K a year until someone posts their 2024 T4 showing the quoted $78,372/year.

My reply to the OP was accurate and yet the sentiment is I'm out of touch with reality? How uninformed do you have to be to think that junior pilots would ever have received $18,000 bonuses under the previous contract?

Fyi, 2024 will have a 3 month of ratification pay covering end of 2023 , 252 credit at whatever difference between old and new contract so everyone will have a boosted
T4 in 2024

[Torontomaplelaughs]

Airbus A220 - First Officer
Hourly Annual Salary (Annual USD)
Year 1 87.48 78,732 ($56,000)
Year 2 94.81 85,329 ($61,000)
Year 3 116.17 104,553 ($75,000)
Year 4 124.17 111,753 ($80,000)
Year 5 159.64 143,676 ($102,000)
Year 6 165.57 149,013 ($106,000)
Year 7 171.60 154,440 ($110,000)
Year 8 177.74 159,966 ($114,000)
Year 9 183.99 165,591 ($118,000)
Year 10 190.34 171,306 ($122,000)
Year 11 196.80 177,120 ($126,000)
Year 12 203.38 183,042 ($130,000)

How does this compare to Delta / United / JetBlue etc

They make about double when you compare with today's exchange rate.

There are also large quality of life differences in the contract with the US Airlines far ahead.

[khedrei]

Got to take that early upgrade but who knows how long that will last. My guess is things slow down in the next 2 years with a possible recession on the horizon.

I thought that if you got an upgrade you have it for life unless there bid off or unless there is a layoff. I assume you are talking about layoff when you say you don't know how long it will last....?

Or can you be sent back to a yr3 (or whatever) FO spot?