All caused by leaving pitot tube covered…

[rookiepilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8zT2LFDRZE

Way over my pay grade, interesting sequence of events….

[Deadcat]

Might be a jet thing, non issue in GA. I’ve been without A/S indicator about a dozen times, airplane, helicopter, sometimes instrument failure, even the odd pitot cover left on. Now with all the ancillary mitigations, if you chose to use them, like an Apple Watch.

[1759]

This highlights the complexity of new generation aircraft. The hardest part on multiple messages is to figure out which checklist to do first. If the crew would have looked at the NO-GO checklist, they would have looked at the problem(s) closer. I have flown a 172 with a blocked pitot tube once, luckily, I had time on type to figure out flap extension speeds (or lack of speeds) for landing. The crew was rushing to get airborne before their IFR clearance expired not to mention, that both pilots Swiss cheese holes lined up.

The one thing to take away from this, DON'T RUSH...

[pelmet]

Interesting how the company has a "Last Look" walkaround for the PIC that he did not do. If he had(as I have recommended to much criticism on this forum on a thread link below), a passenger would be alive today.

viewtopic.php?t=136967

[GyvAir]

An hour had gone by since the preflight. Doing a last look walk around should be instinctual even if not required by policy.

[‘Bob’]

Interesting how the company has a "Last Look" walkaround for the PIC that he did not do. If he had(as I have recommended to much criticism on this forum on a thread link below), a passenger would be alive today.

viewtopic.php?t=136967

Are you still on about that?

Every operator I've worked for in the last three decades already has a 'last look' check. We pretty much all do 'last looks' at this level of aviation (general aviation, self dispatch, no ground crew).

Making another checklist to cover one that's already there might be a great SMS corrective action and look really good on snowballing SOPs, but it doesn't address the root cause of problem.

If the guy ignored one checklist, he's going to ignore another one as well.

[pelmet]

Interesting how the company has a "Last Look" walkaround for the PIC that he did not do. If he had(as I have recommended to much criticism on this forum on a thread link below), a passenger would be alive today.

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=136967

Are you still on about that?

Every operator I've worked for in the last three decades already has a 'last look' check. We pretty much all do 'last looks' at this level of aviation (general aviation, self dispatch, no ground crew).

Making another checklist to cover one that's already there might be a great SMS corrective action and look really good on snowballing SOPs, but it doesn't address the root cause of problem.

If the guy ignored one checklist, he's going to ignore another one as well.

Unfortunately, I am still on about that because unfortunately, it is still happening and someone died because of it.

I would guess that the majority of general aviation pilots do not do a "Last Look". I am not sure why you are talking about making another checklist, I am talking about doing what you just said was what every operator that you have worked for in the last three decades requires, so no snowballing SOP's.

So do a Last Look" check(I like that term), at least on small aircraft. Once you have the habit of doing it every time, it is less likely to be forgotten like it was in the case of this accident.