A Flat Approach May Ensure you can Still Land Regardless of Traffic
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A Flat Approach May Ensure you can Still Land Regardless of Traffic
C-GLCL, a Sea Land Air Management Ltd Diamond DA20, was conducting a training flight, under visual flight rules, from Boundary Bay Airport (CZBB), BC, to Chilliwack Airport (CYCW), BC, with an instructor and student onboard. The aircraft joined the right downwind leg in the circuit for Runway (RWY) 07 and was the second aircraft in sequence for landing. C-GOKO, a privately operated Cessna Citation 550, was conducting a flight from Abbotsford Airport (CYXX), BC, to CYCW with the pilot and 2 passengers onboard. At 14:10:12 Pacific Standard Time (PST), the Cessna pilot made an initial radio call on the CYCW mandatory frequency requesting traffic information in the circuit. C-GWVA, a privately registered Cirrus SR20, broadcast that they were turning on final approach for a touch and go on RWY 07. The Cessna pilot then broadcast that they were sequenced behind the Cirrus and established on a straight-in approach for RWY 07. Eighteen seconds after that, the Diamond turned on right base for RWY 07 while the Cirrus and Cessna repeated their positions as being on final approach for RWY 07. Eight seconds later, the Diamond responded to the position reports and broadcast that they were on right base for RWY 07. Several radio communications ensued between the Cessna and the Diamond to determine aircraft positions, but neither flight crew established visual contact of the other aircraft, nor did they alter their intended course. At 14:11:46 PST, the Diamond turned right onto final approach. Another user on the frequency broadcast that there were 2 aircraft on final approach and that the Cessna was gaining on the Diamond. At 14:13:03 PST and approximately 1 nautical mile from the threshold of RWY 07, the Cessna overtook the Diamond. The Cessna passed overhead of the Diamond with approximately 200 feet of vertical separation. Neither aircraft had visual contact with the other. The Cessna passed the Diamond and continued the approach and landed safely. The Diamond saw the Cessna after it had passed overhead and continued the approach. The Diamond landed safely after the Cessna was clear of the runway.
Re: A Flat Approach May Ensure you can Still Land Regardless of Traffic
That's one big game of chicken 
Interesting situation though. If memory serves correctly (assuming VFR operations):
- Traffic joining the circuit has to give way to traffic in the circuit (Diamond has right of way)
- With an MF you can join a long final but only if you don't interfer with traffic im the circuit (Diamond has right of way)
- The shape/track of a circuit is not defined, which makes it a bit harder to judge if you are interfering with traffic or not
- Traffic on final has priority (Citation has right of way)
Interesting situation though. If memory serves correctly (assuming VFR operations):
- Traffic joining the circuit has to give way to traffic in the circuit (Diamond has right of way)
- With an MF you can join a long final but only if you don't interfer with traffic im the circuit (Diamond has right of way)
- The shape/track of a circuit is not defined, which makes it a bit harder to judge if you are interfering with traffic or not
- Traffic on final has priority (Citation has right of way)
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
Re: A Flat Approach May Ensure you can Still Land Regardless of Traffic
The Citation was neither conforming to nor avoiding the traffic pattern.
I know that you think you’re a big jet pilot… but it’s still just a straight wing jet and can do a circuit like everyone else and a few minutes of time and a hundred pounds of fuel shouldn’t make or break you. Widen out or join at 1500 AAE like the AIM tells you, or do a 360 to properly sequence.
I know that you think you’re a big jet pilot… but it’s still just a straight wing jet and can do a circuit like everyone else and a few minutes of time and a hundred pounds of fuel shouldn’t make or break you. Widen out or join at 1500 AAE like the AIM tells you, or do a 360 to properly sequence.
