Cool videos: Cessna 152/172, Citabria, Pitts S2B
Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:36 am
ya thats pretty gheylooproll wrote:looks like a shameless plug if you ask me!
The rear seat is occupied in the spin videos...isn't that a no no for utility category in a 172 ??bob sacamano wrote:I like the spin training video, where the airplane does not even enter a spin
My ground school handbook for a 172N states on page 52:cyxe wrote:The rear seat is occupied in the spin videos...isn't that a no no for utility category in a 172 ??
Perhaps there some kind of authorization you can get for this a/c to overcome that limitation?Intentional spins are approved in this airplane within certain restricted loadings. Spins with baggage loadings or occupied rear seat(s) are not approved.
hehe good point I didn't even notice that...& yep to my knowledge all 172's have that back seat restrictionNorskman wrote:My ground school handbook for a 172N states on page 52:cyxe wrote:The rear seat is occupied in the spin videos...isn't that a no no for utility category in a 172 ??Perhaps there some kind of authorization you can get for this a/c to overcome that limitation?Intentional spins are approved in this airplane within certain restricted loadings. Spins with baggage loadings or occupied rear seat(s) are not approved.
That tumble at 3:10 was awesome!
Again, from the 172N handbook:bob sacamano wrote:where's capt'sweet'n'juicy now to send this to the authorities. Mind you, the airplane never entered a spin.
So maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I would imagine that they did, since the video is entitled "Harv's Air Pilot Training presents spin training from four camera angles"Application of recovery controls will produce prompt recoveries (within 1/4 turn).
From your last post you said you're still in PPL land. I won't try to teach you on here, but what you saw in that "spin" video is the incipient stage of a spin, that was nowhere near a spin.Norskman wrote:Again, from the 172N handbook:bob sacamano wrote:where's capt'sweet'n'juicy now to send this to the authorities. Mind you, the airplane never entered a spin.So maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I would imagine that they did, since the video is entitled "Harv's Air Pilot Training presents spin training from four camera angles"Application of recovery controls will produce prompt recoveries (within 1/4 turn).
No SHIT!! I gotta tumble a plane one day before I die.Kilo-Kilo wrote:That tumble at 3:10 was awesome!
Well I like to learn, so lemme get this straight.bob sacamano wrote:From your last post you said you're still in PPL land. I won't try to teach you on here, but what you saw in that "spin" video is the incipient stage of a spin, that was nowhere near a spin.
Some flight schools also say that once you're done you can fly for air canada, you believe them as well?
From what you quoted and then commented, it seems to me that you missunderstood what the manual was telling you.
Sorry Bob but it looks like you misunderstood what the manual was telling you.bob sacamano wrote:From your last post you said you're still in PPL land. I won't try to teach you on here, but what you saw in that "spin" video is the incipient stage of a spin, that was nowhere near a spin.Norskman wrote:Again, from the 172N handbook:bob sacamano wrote:where's capt'sweet'n'juicy now to send this to the authorities. Mind you, the airplane never entered a spin.So maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I would imagine that they did, since the video is entitled "Harv's Air Pilot Training presents spin training from four camera angles"Application of recovery controls will produce prompt recoveries (within 1/4 turn).
Some flight schools also say that once you're done you can fly for air canada, you believe them as well?
From what you quoted and then commented, it seems to me that you missunderstood what the manual was telling you.
Where was I wrong?Lurch wrote:Sorry Bob but it looks like you misunderstood what the manual was telling you.bob sacamano wrote:From your last post you said you're still in PPL land. I won't try to teach you on here, but what you saw in that "spin" video is the incipient stage of a spin, that was nowhere near a spin.Norskman wrote: Again, from the 172N handbook: So maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I would imagine that they did, since the video is entitled "Harv's Air Pilot Training presents spin training from four camera angles"
Some flight schools also say that once you're done you can fly for air canada, you believe them as well?
From what you quoted and then commented, it seems to me that you missunderstood what the manual was telling you.
A stall with Yaw is a spin, doesn't matter how may rotations are involved. The incipient stage is just the first 2 rotations but still a spin.
Lurch
I had a discusion about that with some co-workers this summer & we descided that legaly a spin starts after 180 degree rotation...B4 that its just a wingdropThe spin starts as soon as there is a wing drop during a stall.
Is there a legal definition?Justwannafly wrote:I had a discusion about that with some co-workers this summer & we descided that legaly a spin starts after 180 degree rotation...B4 that its just a wingdropThe spin starts as soon as there is a wing drop during a stall.
I don't/wouldn't mention the term legal to my students when discussing emergency recoveries I don't want them playing with the limits.