Peace Air PA-31 Off Runway

JET A-1 · Post by **JET A-1** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:55 am

Does anyone know the details of the chieftain off the runway in Trout Lake (EU9)?

http://www.hwy.dot.gov.nt.ca/airports/D ... .asp?id=22

Riverman · Post by **Riverman** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:59 am

Not many details coming out yet.

No serious injuries or death. That's the most important thing.

wanpaku · Post by **wanpaku** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:32 pm

When did this happen?

SKYTRAILS · Post by **SKYTRAILS** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:43 pm

Very relieved to hear nobody is hurt.

So any ideas what Peace Air should spend the insurance money on?

Here is my contribution to the list:

1) GPS receivers for their Jetstream's so that the crews can return their $900 hand held units that they've all bought with their own money.

2) One time payment on their credit card debt so crews can finally put away their personal credit cards when they need fuel.

3) ...................

wanpaku · Post by **wanpaku** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:47 pm

No amount of insurance money can "fix" peaceair as long as the present ops manager is there.

I.N.S.! I.N.S.! I.N.S.!

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:26 pm

LastSamurai · Post by **LastSamurai** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:30 pm

No amount of insurance money can "fix" peaceair as long as the present ops manager with his little german stooge is still there.

So true...so very very true

Perfect reason why ex-politicians should not be allowed to operate a company

LS

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:45 pm

Do the Peaceair guys go into alot of 2500 foot strips with their chieftain?

SKYTRAILS · Post by **SKYTRAILS** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:13 pm

I believe the Chieftains mostly do pavement to pavement, covering for the scheduled flights when the Jetstreams are broken down. The guys get a lot of hours....

That being said, I believe there are a few tricky strips that the guys go into.

gazu · Post by **gazu** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:54 pm

Glad it sounds like everyone was ok,was it GAEN or GNSO?Any info?These birds may have been in dire need of paint but were reliable.AirCo flew its chieftain in place of PE today on the YPE-YEG flight as a result.

SKYTRAILS · Post by **SKYTRAILS** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:15 pm

"Reliable"?? hmmmmmm

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:23 pm

[quote]their $900 hand held units that they've all bought with their own money.[quote]

Wow. Other dodgy operators run crews with handheld GPS too? I thought it was only SkyNorth and that skid row KA they have. Shame to be the guys that felt the need the buy GPS when they could have made a point to management and file traditional air routes costing the company more in fuel than certified units. If managers pinch on basic avionics they most likely pinch on maintenance as well.

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:05 pm

So does anyone know if it was AEN? Peace was my first job. Long before they did skeds or had J31's it was Saturday that I would lay on my back hungover, one eyed napping, and pretending to clean the belly of AEN. When it finally went in my log book, I thought I really hit the big times.

Riverman · Post by **Riverman** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:40 pm

It's not AEN

Could the fingerpointers save their comments until we actually know what happened? Is that too much to ask?

Benz · Post by **Benz** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:11 pm

Skytrails and especially Wanpaku:

Maybe I should send a link to all of your postings that you have done in the past including this subject.

I know who you are and maybe your ops manager would REALLY like to know what kind of employee they have.

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, then keep it to yourself.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:35 pm

Riverman wrote:
Could the fingerpointers save their comments until we actually know what happened? Is that too much to ask?

Around here? Surely you jest?

SKYTRAILS · Post by **SKYTRAILS** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:24 am

Benz wrote:Skytrails and especially Wanpaku:

Maybe I should send a link to all of your postings that you have done in the past including this subject.

I know who you are and maybe your ops manager would REALLY like to know what kind of employee they have.

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, then keep it to yourself.

Benz: Here let me help you. http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/search.p ... r=SKYTRAIL

But I have to warn you, they arent THAT interesting. As for WANAPAKU's comments about the German Stooge. Ya - it was a bit cheeky, but hey, you make the bed you sleep in. Get over it!

i aint gettin rich · Post by **i aint gettin rich** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:32 pm

well i know who Benz is.. Actually i know who most people are on here.. very good P.I work.. Wanpaku ..too funny..
Trust me. the ops manager or owner or chief pilot are not going to disipline or fire someone for comments on avcanada.. sounds like a typical peace air bit to me.. they would..

Glad everyone was ok on the navajo slip.

wanpaku · Post by **wanpaku** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:41 pm

Nobody is pointing any fingers concerning the mishap. All that matters, really, is that everyone is ok. The fact that this was a Peace Air Navajo has no bearing what so ever on what happened. It likely would have happend to anyone trying to get into Trout Lake in a Navajo with the current conditions. Even if it was Benz. If it was, I am glad that you're ok and that you were able to go home to your family.

Riverman, I don't think anyone on this thread is speculating or pointing fingers at the cause of the accident. If that were the case, I would agree with you totally.

gazu · Post by **gazu** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:19 pm

Uhhhhmmmm...Ok guys settle down.No need for the BS and who is ''better'' than who.You fly,thats great,you got a job,thats great,you dont like each other,well thats to bad...But suck it up and settle down.Are these the people I share the sky with?

Anyway back to topic,news friggin travels fast,ran into some NT pilots in YVR this morning I havent seen in a while and they were asking what I knew about the Incident,I just said I only heard the basics but it sounded like everyone was ok...Now a little off topic ''rumor'' is NCA is looking at the CRJ's down in YYC as possible investments,anyone here this also.

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:32 pm

It likely would have happend to anyone trying to get into Trout Lake in a Navajo with the current conditions.

What are(were) the current conditions?

wanpaku · Post by **wanpaku** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:56 pm

snow, ice........winter!

How do I get on NCA to fly an RJ? Other than my obvious attitude problem I am a good guy.

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:12 am

snow, ice........winter!

Is that the real rsc?

Seriously just curious as to what the conditions are/were considering this winter hasn't been all that harsh in alot of the NWT. Given the location of EU9 I could see them having more early snow, or they could still have warm temps.

So is "snow, ice......winter" an accurate description for conditions then?

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:24 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/20 ... crash.html

1 injured in Trout Lake plane crash
Last Updated: Wednesday, November 1, 2006 | 3:06 PM CT
CBC News
One person suffered only slight injuries when a plane overshot the runway and crashed in Trout Lake, N.W.T., on Monday, officials say.

Two pilots and three passengers were aboard the Piper Navajo when it went past the runway and ended up in a ditch 150 metres away, says John Cottreau, spokesman for the Transportation Safety Board of Canada.

Trout Lake, N.W.T.
The plane, which belongs to Alberta-based Peace Air, was substantially damaged in the crash, Cottreau said.

The board has reviewed the accident and has no plans to investigate it further, he said.

Trout Lake is 430 kilometres southwest of Yellowknife.