So, off to YWG I go for some company training. I go through security in YYJ, and not a peep from them about the small amount of !!Gel!! pitstick I have or the small travel-sized toothpaste tube I'm carrying (both carefully selected in case they do decide to confiscate them.)
On the way home, leaving YWG, there's this CATSA clown standing at a table before the security asking me if I have any liquids or gels. Being honest, I state that I do - small amounts of the aforementioned toiletries - and then show him. OK, says he, it either has to be in a ziplock bag, or it can't go on board. But Victoria let me have them? Victoria's wrong to do that. Does he have any ziplocks? No. I say whatever, and proceed through security, where they open my kit, push past the gel and toothpaste, on a search for batteries that I happen to have in a small flashlight?
On the other side of the security checkpoint, there's a small shop - on one of the shelves, toothpaste, gel handcleaner etc...??
W?T?F??? OVER??
1.) Either I can have gel/toothpaste/shampoo or I can't - security should be consistent across the country, no?
2.) How the heck does a ziplock bag make the carrying of these substances any safer??
3.) If CATSA is confiscating gel products, then why, after I had shown them to one of the agents on duty, was I allowed to proceed through the checkpoint and on to the gate?
Any opinions, apart from "pay peanuts, get monkeys?"
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CATSA Security??
Say, what's that mountain goat doing up here in the mist?
Happiness is V1 at Thompson!
Ass, Licence, Job. In that order.
Happiness is V1 at Thompson!
Ass, Licence, Job. In that order.
The CYWG "Pass Nazis" are in a world of their own, with their own rules! You walk past the dumb f***s going to Timmies, and on the way back its the empty pockets, wand, the whole 9 yds. I had my screw driver in the side pocket of my covvies, and the dumb ba****d asked me "what is that and what is it for" I repliied "it's a screw driver" question asked "what do you use it for" I replied, looking it straight in the eye "screwing". respose "you don't have to get nasty, your attitude has been noted"
I set the wand off every time (steel hip joints) so I make them get fresh gloves before they grope me! My little way of getting to them, and it works every time. LOL
I set the wand off every time (steel hip joints) so I make them get fresh gloves before they grope me! My little way of getting to them, and it works every time. LOL
If you don't know,ASK!
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"Do or do not..there is no try"
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The screwdriver line is a classic.roscoe wrote:The CYWG "Pass Nazis" are in a world of their own, with their own rules! You walk past the dumb f***s going to Timmies, and on the way back its the empty pockets, wand, the whole 9 yds. I had my screw driver in the side pocket of my covvies, and the dumb ba****d asked me "what is that and what is it for" I repliied "it's a screw driver" question asked "what do you use it for" I replied, looking it straight in the eye "screwing". respose "you don't have to get nasty, your attitude has been noted"
I set the wand off every time (steel hip joints) so I make them get fresh gloves before they grope me! My little way of getting to them, and it works every time. LOL
Love the glove thing. I will use that the next time one of those ineffectual idiots tries to "save the aircraft" by zeroing in on some innocuous item in my luggage.
They are largely a group of morons, and I have no confidence that they would be able to stop a committed terrorist from getting something dangerous on board the plane.
They do a wonderful job of slowing down the flow of commercial passengers, and not much else.
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Re: CATSA Security??
You can see the standard for the acceptance of these items on the CATSA site:North Shore wrote:OK, says he, it either has to be in a ziplock bag, or it can't go on board. But Victoria let me have them? Victoria's wrong to do that. Does he have any ziplocks?
CATSA - Notice to Passengers
The screeners in Victoria were in the wrong for allowing you through.
As to whether the procedures make any sense...
As long as the TSA "3-1-1" program and the UK Department of Transport keep up the pressure for other countries to comply with their measures, we'll likely be stuck with this for a while...
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Has anyone heard this:
I just renewed my pass (got the fancy white one now). I stop at the security desk to get checked to go through to the baggage area. The lady tells me that my pass is expired. So I look at it and say "It says January 31, 2007" Now, here is the good part. She replies, "Oh, thats right. But CATSA is doing the background checks, and it can take up to four or five months to clear for your new one."
Pardon me, and no disrespect to our Country's ultra-efficient-make-you-feel-safe-on-an-airplane crown corporation, but CATSA is doing my security check??? WTF. Maybe I misunderstood, and a credible organization like the RCMP and/or CSIS is still doing it.
Anyway, that's just my rant for the month.
I just renewed my pass (got the fancy white one now). I stop at the security desk to get checked to go through to the baggage area. The lady tells me that my pass is expired. So I look at it and say "It says January 31, 2007" Now, here is the good part. She replies, "Oh, thats right. But CATSA is doing the background checks, and it can take up to four or five months to clear for your new one."
Pardon me, and no disrespect to our Country's ultra-efficient-make-you-feel-safe-on-an-airplane crown corporation, but CATSA is doing my security check??? WTF. Maybe I misunderstood, and a credible organization like the RCMP and/or CSIS is still doing it.
Anyway, that's just my rant for the month.
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I think it's pretty safe to say our so-called security here is a farce.
There is no consistency to any of their madness, and I'm sure they select the most unfriendly and least intelligent people they can. Makes one not want to fly at all. I get to got through YYJ, SeaTac, Seoul, and Ho Chi Minh City in the next two days.... let you know how it goes.
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There is no consistency to any of their madness, and I'm sure they select the most unfriendly and least intelligent people they can. Makes one not want to fly at all. I get to got through YYJ, SeaTac, Seoul, and Ho Chi Minh City in the next two days.... let you know how it goes.
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News Release
No. H137/06
For release November 10, 2006
CANADA’S NEW GOVERNMENT PROPOSES TO BOOST
AIRPORT SECURITY WITH BIOMETRIC TECHNOLOGY
OTTAWA — The Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, today announced proposed amendments to the Canadian Aviation Security Regulations to support the implementation of the new Restricted Area Identity Card by Transport Canada and the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA).
Through the use of biometrics, the card will enhance the restricted area pass system currently in place at Canada’s twenty-nine major airports for airport personnel, including flight crews, refuelers, caterers and others who require access to restricted areas. The Restricted Area Identity Card incorporates unique human characteristics, such as fingerprints and iris patterns, and leading-edge technology to accurately identify individuals accessing restricted areas at airports, and is the world’s first-ever dual biometric airport identification system.
“We are always exploring methods to continuously improve all aspects of aviation security,” said Minister Cannon. “Biometric technology is used around the world by security and police organizations to authenticate identity and will play an important role in helping to keep Canada's airports and skies safe.”
Transport Canada and CATSA have been working in partnership with airport authorities to develop and deploy this enhanced card system, which uses biometrics to support the issuance, verification, cancellation and tracking of restricted area identification cards. To gain access to an airport's restricted area, cardholders will be required to have either their fingerprint or iris scanned by biometric readers at individual airports.
This new card system is scheduled to be deployed at Canada’s twenty-nine major airports for approximately 120,000 aviation workers by December 31, 2006.
The proposed amendments to the Canadian Aviation Security Regulations supporting the implementation of the new card system will be published in the Canada Gazette, Part I on November 11, 2006. From that date, there will be a 15-day period for the public and other interested parties to provide comments. After consideration of the comments received, the regulations will be finalized and submitted for publication in the Canada Gazette, Part II.
Backgrounder:
RESTRICTED AREA IDENTITY CARD
The Restricted Area Identity Card (RAIC) is an advanced addition to aviation security. It is unique in that it incorporates human characteristics and advanced technology to accurately verify individuals accessing restricted areas. Through the use of biometrics, a person's identity can be authenticated by measuring a physical characteristic such as a fingerprint or iris pattern.
Transport Canada and the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA) have been working with airports to deploy the new RAIC, which will enhance the restricted area pass system currently being used by approximately 120,000 workers at Canada's twenty-nine major airports.
The RAIC uses smart card technology, which integrates a small computer chip, to store two kinds of biometric data: fingerprint and iris templates.
At the primary access doors to restricted areas of major Canadian airports, cardholders will have either their fingerprint or iris scanned by a biometric reader. The reader performs three tasks. First, it compares the biometric template stored on the card with a live sample presented by the cardholder to ensure the person presenting the card is the person to whom the card has been issued. Second, it confirms that a transportation security clearance has been issued by Transport Canada and is valid for the holder of the card. Third, it confirms that the airport authority has granted access to the holder of the card at a particular restricted area access point.
Airport personnel who are issued the card will continue to be subject to access control requirements such as random screening, and background security checks. Individual airport authorities will retain responsibility for issuing the card and for determining who has access to the restricted areas at their airports.
The proposed amendments to the Canadian Aviation Security Regulations include requirements regarding:
the information to be displayed on the RAIC;
the issuing of the RAIC;
the protection, handling and destruction of personal information;
the activation and deactivation of the RAIC;
the integration of access control features into the RAIC;
record keeping;
restricted area identification and access control;
business continuity plans;
the use of the RAIC and any access control features integrated into the RAIC;
the presentation and surrender of the RAIC;
doors, gates, emergency exits and other devices;
escort and surveillance; and
unauthorized access to the restricted area.
The twenty-nine airports that will be using the RAIC are: Calgary International; Charlottetown; Edmonton International; Fredericton; Gander International; Halifax International; Iqaluit; Kelowna International; London International; Moncton International; Montreal - Pierre Elliott Trudeau International; Montreal-Mirabel International; Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International; Prince George; Quebec - Jean Lesage International; Regina; Saint John; St. John's International; Saskatoon John G. Diefenbaker International; Greater Sudbury; Thunder Bay International; Toronto City Centre; Toronto Lester B. Pearson International; Vancouver International; Victoria International; Whitehorse; Windsor; Winnipeg International; Yellowknife.
No. H137/06
For release November 10, 2006
CANADA’S NEW GOVERNMENT PROPOSES TO BOOST
AIRPORT SECURITY WITH BIOMETRIC TECHNOLOGY
OTTAWA — The Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, today announced proposed amendments to the Canadian Aviation Security Regulations to support the implementation of the new Restricted Area Identity Card by Transport Canada and the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA).
Through the use of biometrics, the card will enhance the restricted area pass system currently in place at Canada’s twenty-nine major airports for airport personnel, including flight crews, refuelers, caterers and others who require access to restricted areas. The Restricted Area Identity Card incorporates unique human characteristics, such as fingerprints and iris patterns, and leading-edge technology to accurately identify individuals accessing restricted areas at airports, and is the world’s first-ever dual biometric airport identification system.
“We are always exploring methods to continuously improve all aspects of aviation security,” said Minister Cannon. “Biometric technology is used around the world by security and police organizations to authenticate identity and will play an important role in helping to keep Canada's airports and skies safe.”
Transport Canada and CATSA have been working in partnership with airport authorities to develop and deploy this enhanced card system, which uses biometrics to support the issuance, verification, cancellation and tracking of restricted area identification cards. To gain access to an airport's restricted area, cardholders will be required to have either their fingerprint or iris scanned by biometric readers at individual airports.
This new card system is scheduled to be deployed at Canada’s twenty-nine major airports for approximately 120,000 aviation workers by December 31, 2006.
The proposed amendments to the Canadian Aviation Security Regulations supporting the implementation of the new card system will be published in the Canada Gazette, Part I on November 11, 2006. From that date, there will be a 15-day period for the public and other interested parties to provide comments. After consideration of the comments received, the regulations will be finalized and submitted for publication in the Canada Gazette, Part II.
Backgrounder:
RESTRICTED AREA IDENTITY CARD
The Restricted Area Identity Card (RAIC) is an advanced addition to aviation security. It is unique in that it incorporates human characteristics and advanced technology to accurately verify individuals accessing restricted areas. Through the use of biometrics, a person's identity can be authenticated by measuring a physical characteristic such as a fingerprint or iris pattern.
Transport Canada and the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA) have been working with airports to deploy the new RAIC, which will enhance the restricted area pass system currently being used by approximately 120,000 workers at Canada's twenty-nine major airports.
The RAIC uses smart card technology, which integrates a small computer chip, to store two kinds of biometric data: fingerprint and iris templates.
At the primary access doors to restricted areas of major Canadian airports, cardholders will have either their fingerprint or iris scanned by a biometric reader. The reader performs three tasks. First, it compares the biometric template stored on the card with a live sample presented by the cardholder to ensure the person presenting the card is the person to whom the card has been issued. Second, it confirms that a transportation security clearance has been issued by Transport Canada and is valid for the holder of the card. Third, it confirms that the airport authority has granted access to the holder of the card at a particular restricted area access point.
Airport personnel who are issued the card will continue to be subject to access control requirements such as random screening, and background security checks. Individual airport authorities will retain responsibility for issuing the card and for determining who has access to the restricted areas at their airports.
The proposed amendments to the Canadian Aviation Security Regulations include requirements regarding:
the information to be displayed on the RAIC;
the issuing of the RAIC;
the protection, handling and destruction of personal information;
the activation and deactivation of the RAIC;
the integration of access control features into the RAIC;
record keeping;
restricted area identification and access control;
business continuity plans;
the use of the RAIC and any access control features integrated into the RAIC;
the presentation and surrender of the RAIC;
doors, gates, emergency exits and other devices;
escort and surveillance; and
unauthorized access to the restricted area.
The twenty-nine airports that will be using the RAIC are: Calgary International; Charlottetown; Edmonton International; Fredericton; Gander International; Halifax International; Iqaluit; Kelowna International; London International; Moncton International; Montreal - Pierre Elliott Trudeau International; Montreal-Mirabel International; Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International; Prince George; Quebec - Jean Lesage International; Regina; Saint John; St. John's International; Saskatoon John G. Diefenbaker International; Greater Sudbury; Thunder Bay International; Toronto City Centre; Toronto Lester B. Pearson International; Vancouver International; Victoria International; Whitehorse; Windsor; Winnipeg International; Yellowknife.
Yellowknife is by far the worst I've experienced. They always have about 10 people standing around doing nothing, and an overzealous security expert wanding people even if you don't beep. Let it go and keep the line moving!!!!!
The only difference with CATSA now is that you have people wearing the same uniforms coast to coast. Standards and procedures are different EVERYWHERE.
I was the lucky winner of a "secondary search" recently in YEG. I didn't beep, and nothing in my bags was question. If only my middle name weren't Osama................
The only difference with CATSA now is that you have people wearing the same uniforms coast to coast. Standards and procedures are different EVERYWHERE.
I was the lucky winner of a "secondary search" recently in YEG. I didn't beep, and nothing in my bags was question. If only my middle name weren't Osama................
And Yellowknife still manages to miss stuff. I went through, there were only two of us at the time. Both of us got the secondary search through our bags. The guy goes through my bags, grabs the camera, puts it back. Grabs the portable gps, puts it back. Grabs the Nintendo DS, puts it back. When i get to my destination and unpack, I discover I had a swiss army knife in there. Whoops! (I use the same backpack for fishing/hiking gear).RNAV wrote:Yellowknife is by far the worst I've experienced. They always have about 10 people standing around doing nothing, and an overzealous security expert wanding people even if you don't beep. Let it go and keep the line moving!!!!!
Heard another knife story from my brother in law, who made it through YYZ security with a full steak knife in his carry on. Had no idea he had it until he tried to clear security in LAS and they caught it. I wonder what the numbers are on how many prohibited items still get through during any test/trial runs they've done.
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I had an interesting experience in YWG a couple of weeks ago too.
First of all when I'm traveling now days I'm extremely careful with what I pack and have on my person. I make it a rule never to take carry-on luggage, smokes, cell phone, lighters or anything that'll set off the beepers. I don't even wear a belt, instead I get out my best pair of Cheeno's with the elastic waist band. I carefully pocket all my loose change, wallet and keys in my jacket for the el rayo x machine and proceed through the screening machine. I never beep. When I check in I pack all the offending items like smokes, lighters cell phones in my luggage. I carry long coloured tie wraps and secure my luggage with them in full view of the ticket agent. If at the other end I see missing tie wraps I would call security to retrieve my bag and point out the problem. I'm also careful to note the time of check in and the agents name just in case. Nothing as ever happened BTW but being a little paranoid in these times is a good thing.
Several agents have made positive comments about my precautions. 
Well that's not good enough in Winnipeg! While I was about to retrieve my jacket and my wife waiting in the wings I was ordered by some minion in a CATSA shirt to follow him for secondary screening to small room off to the side of the line. Two of them accompanied me. Both spoke wih very heavy accents. (can't they get English speakers for $10/hr.?) I was ordered to look the man wearing the Turban in the eyes throughout the search and not to take my eyes off him while the other Asian man (I'm guessing Malaysian) proceeded to undo my pants and shit to have a good peek at everything. I refused to look the bloke in the eyes. At the end of it the Malaysian asked me what was wrong with me, did I have an attitude problem? I got him to repeat himself a couple of times and asked that if this was going to be an interogation I would prefer an English speaker. Finally in exasperation I asked buddy in the Turban if the examination was complete, he gave a slight nod and I was on my way.
The whole CATSA program as it's practiced now is a complete joke and waste of money.
First of all when I'm traveling now days I'm extremely careful with what I pack and have on my person. I make it a rule never to take carry-on luggage, smokes, cell phone, lighters or anything that'll set off the beepers. I don't even wear a belt, instead I get out my best pair of Cheeno's with the elastic waist band. I carefully pocket all my loose change, wallet and keys in my jacket for the el rayo x machine and proceed through the screening machine. I never beep. When I check in I pack all the offending items like smokes, lighters cell phones in my luggage. I carry long coloured tie wraps and secure my luggage with them in full view of the ticket agent. If at the other end I see missing tie wraps I would call security to retrieve my bag and point out the problem. I'm also careful to note the time of check in and the agents name just in case. Nothing as ever happened BTW but being a little paranoid in these times is a good thing.
Several agents have made positive comments about my precautions. Well that's not good enough in Winnipeg! While I was about to retrieve my jacket and my wife waiting in the wings I was ordered by some minion in a CATSA shirt to follow him for secondary screening to small room off to the side of the line. Two of them accompanied me. Both spoke wih very heavy accents. (can't they get English speakers for $10/hr.?) I was ordered to look the man wearing the Turban in the eyes throughout the search and not to take my eyes off him while the other Asian man (I'm guessing Malaysian) proceeded to undo my pants and shit to have a good peek at everything. I refused to look the bloke in the eyes. At the end of it the Malaysian asked me what was wrong with me, did I have an attitude problem? I got him to repeat himself a couple of times and asked that if this was going to be an interogation I would prefer an English speaker. Finally in exasperation I asked buddy in the Turban if the examination was complete, he gave a slight nod and I was on my way.
The whole CATSA program as it's practiced now is a complete joke and waste of money.
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There are standards for CATSA ppl to follow and it is embarrassing to see that the 'standard' is not being followed. Driving Rain, there is absolutely NO mandate for them to direct you to a private room and proceed to "...undo my pants" We are only allowed to do screening of ppl, not searches, except in the case where you have caused an alarm in the metal detector. And we have to ASK if you would prefer a private room or is your current position fine to conduct a physical search.
The purpose of the baggie for liquids and gels is so that they are grouped and easily identifiable to us when we process you through security. If anything exceeds the limit, we can quickly locate it and dispose of it, or give it to you to put in a checked bag.
PM if you want clarification.
The purpose of the baggie for liquids and gels is so that they are grouped and easily identifiable to us when we process you through security. If anything exceeds the limit, we can quickly locate it and dispose of it, or give it to you to put in a checked bag.
PM if you want clarification.
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While going throught the crew bypass in YVR (while I still had the old red pass), the security dude asks me if my name is "Hazel Brown".... my eye and hair colour BTW. If he looked a little lower on the pass he would have seen my name. My reply to him was "whatever gets me through the door". He checks his list , finds no Hazel Brown and lets me through.
So I ask the overbloated late 50ish guy beside him if he is the supervisor, and he replies yes. I explain what just transpired and he says "it takes time to train them" and lets me through. In the end no one ever did actually check my correct name against the list.
Another time while going through YVR security as a passenger, I was waiting in line for screening and a businessman in front of me was pulled aside for secondary screening. The kid doing the body search was obviously new as he looked really nervous as he did is thing on the George Costanza looking business man type.... the climax of the inspection was when the CATSA kid tells the BALD guy that he needs to do a tactile inspection of his hair !! He then proceeds to tickle his fingers over the top of the BALD guys head. I s#it you not!!!
The guy was losing it yelling and screeming and stamping his feet. It was awesome to watch CATSA in action... but what a joke.
So I ask the overbloated late 50ish guy beside him if he is the supervisor, and he replies yes. I explain what just transpired and he says "it takes time to train them" and lets me through. In the end no one ever did actually check my correct name against the list.
Another time while going through YVR security as a passenger, I was waiting in line for screening and a businessman in front of me was pulled aside for secondary screening. The kid doing the body search was obviously new as he looked really nervous as he did is thing on the George Costanza looking business man type.... the climax of the inspection was when the CATSA kid tells the BALD guy that he needs to do a tactile inspection of his hair !! He then proceeds to tickle his fingers over the top of the BALD guys head. I s#it you not!!!
The guy was losing it yelling and screeming and stamping his feet. It was awesome to watch CATSA in action... but what a joke.
Why is it that "operating" air crews are physically searched? For what? What are they looking for?
I understand checking crews ID (having some sort of ID to prove that they are in fact crew, with clean backgrounds). But to be rootin through their bags etc, seems very absurd. Meanwhile caterers, fuelers, groomers etc have free access to all sorts of aircraft on the ramp without having to go through the same process. It's all ass backwards if you ask me....
I understand checking crews ID (having some sort of ID to prove that they are in fact crew, with clean backgrounds). But to be rootin through their bags etc, seems very absurd. Meanwhile caterers, fuelers, groomers etc have free access to all sorts of aircraft on the ramp without having to go through the same process. It's all ass backwards if you ask me....
...Seems they are going to remove the axe and the control column from the cockpits for security reasons.
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Well I don't know about you, but I feel safer knowing that the pilots of my airplane don't have any weapons they could hijack the plane with.
I'm a little worried about them letting passengers on with shoe laces though. A guy could strangle the pilots and then tie the door shut!
All sugary drinks should also be banned. A child might ingest a sugary drink, like say cola, and get all excited and run amok, damaging sensitive avionics, rendering the airplane uncontrolable.
Cornbread, ain't nuthin' wrong with that.
Those strenghtened cockpit doors, easy to bypass.
I'm pretty confident that I could get airside on almost any airport in Canada without challenge. The States is pretty easy too.
CATSA, a true deterrant. Why would a terrorist want to put up with all their crap?
I'm a little worried about them letting passengers on with shoe laces though. A guy could strangle the pilots and then tie the door shut!
All sugary drinks should also be banned. A child might ingest a sugary drink, like say cola, and get all excited and run amok, damaging sensitive avionics, rendering the airplane uncontrolable.
Cornbread, ain't nuthin' wrong with that.
Those strenghtened cockpit doors, easy to bypass.
I'm pretty confident that I could get airside on almost any airport in Canada without challenge. The States is pretty easy too.
CATSA, a true deterrant. Why would a terrorist want to put up with all their crap?
Dyslexics of the world... UNTIE!
You will love this then. I'm not sure what kind of increased security this was called, but here it is..
I was working as a fire alarm tech, doing the inspection at an airport. My guide was one of the main maintenance men, and had his appropriate ID tag on. I had a visitor ID tag. Coming around a corner we hit a random check station, and HE got searched, and I DIDN'T. How's that for security?
I was working as a fire alarm tech, doing the inspection at an airport. My guide was one of the main maintenance men, and had his appropriate ID tag on. I had a visitor ID tag. Coming around a corner we hit a random check station, and HE got searched, and I DIDN'T. How's that for security?
Norskman
Still stuck on dry land.
Still stuck on dry land.
This one always confuses me. When you get on a Metro in Dryden heading for Sault Ste. Marie there is a stop over in Thunder Bay. Dryden has no security screening so you just walk out and get on the aircraft. When you land in Thunder Bay with about a 30 minute stopover you deplane the aircraft and head into the terminal. You then have to go through a full security screening to get back on the aircraft that your bags are still on and you just got off of.
I did just that a couple of weeks ago and was carrying a overnight bag. Went through security without a hitch in Thunder Bay and off we went. Left SSM with the same carrier and had to go through a full security screening. This time my shaving kit was emptied and all the liquids in it were packed into a zip-lock bag by the screener and then placed back into my shaving kit. Off we go to Thunder Bay and now with about a 30 minute stop we deplane and head into the terminal. Now departing for Dryden we do not need to clear security and we head right out to the aircraft and get back on the one we just got off of.
This program is costing how many dollars?
I did just that a couple of weeks ago and was carrying a overnight bag. Went through security without a hitch in Thunder Bay and off we went. Left SSM with the same carrier and had to go through a full security screening. This time my shaving kit was emptied and all the liquids in it were packed into a zip-lock bag by the screener and then placed back into my shaving kit. Off we go to Thunder Bay and now with about a 30 minute stop we deplane and head into the terminal. Now departing for Dryden we do not need to clear security and we head right out to the aircraft and get back on the one we just got off of.
This program is costing how many dollars?
You Can Love An Airplane All You Want, But Remember, It Will Never Love You Back!
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It is totally ridiculous to say the least. The only reason it is done is so the passengers can see it.Redwine wrote:Why is it that "operating" air crews are physically searched? For what? What are they looking for?
I understand checking crews ID (having some sort of ID to prove that they are in fact crew, with clean backgrounds). But to be rootin through their bags etc, seems very absurd. Meanwhile caterers, fuelers, groomers etc have free access to all sorts of aircraft on the ramp without having to go through the same process. It's all ass backwards if you ask me....
We are the least of anybody's worries I can assure you.
Security is the biggest joke in this country and YYZ is winning the race to the bottom.
