Air Mikisew is talking of a new BE1900. The rampies are up in arms over the idea, management loves the idea. An already unhappy rampie community is now irrate, worried about the entry level aircraft that they would jump on to off the ground, getting sold & slowing down the progress even further.
When you read about what is going on elsewhere with other companies, it sounds pretty bad. So if you think your cornhole hurts now lube up because it will only get worse. The rampies have seen the company go from movement to 0 movement to negative movement. So loosen your belt because here comes big daddy Air Mikiscrew & her management.
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masteryoda
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it's a freakin King Air...no big deal.
If you want my advice, go get a job flying skydivers or instructing or something. Run drugs if you can log the time! Do what you gotta do.
Quit waiting around freezing your ass off on the ramp for a job you might never get.
Isn't it funny that the company is getting a 1900D and the ramp guys are bitching about it?
Sounds like a conflict of interest.
Look, they hired you guys to work the ramp because they need people to work the ramp.
They don't think "shit, one day there might never be any 200hrs pilots left so we better pick up the best ones, keep them working until we need them and then laugh at the other companies because they can't find anyone to fly their planes"
nuff said
If you want my advice, go get a job flying skydivers or instructing or something. Run drugs if you can log the time! Do what you gotta do.
Quit waiting around freezing your ass off on the ramp for a job you might never get.
Isn't it funny that the company is getting a 1900D and the ramp guys are bitching about it?
Sounds like a conflict of interest.
Look, they hired you guys to work the ramp because they need people to work the ramp.
They don't think "shit, one day there might never be any 200hrs pilots left so we better pick up the best ones, keep them working until we need them and then laugh at the other companies because they can't find anyone to fly their planes"
nuff said
A big king air really! last time i flew a 200 i dont remenber having to look up any performance charts at all just fill her up and go, now if you are going to fly the 1900 just like a king air will be hearing from your accident report. the 1900 is a relative easy a/c to fly for its class however you are flying a 704 machine and you got different regulations to adhere too. having flown the 1900 with wet behind the ear pilots for the first 6 month you are flying single pilot that is how far behind the 200 hour pilot are that is if you are going leg for leg, if they are just doing radio work and the capt does any dirty cross wind or ndb min at night to 3000 foot strips well you can put bench warmers, from my experience the best candidates would have a few season of floats .
I agree with you that a good candidate would have a few seasons on floats. Alot better than the ramp.
However, if you can land a kind air on a 3000ft strip after an NDB to minimums at night, you should be able to do the same with a 1900. I know alot of guys that fly them into 3000ft gravel strips all day and they don't go around acting like their plane is harder to fly than anyone elses.
All I hear them saying about it is that it cruises fast and has tons of power.
I agree, the V speeds are higher than a king air but in some countries aswell as ours many years ago, 300 hour guys were flying jets for major airlines.
However, if you can land a kind air on a 3000ft strip after an NDB to minimums at night, you should be able to do the same with a 1900. I know alot of guys that fly them into 3000ft gravel strips all day and they don't go around acting like their plane is harder to fly than anyone elses.
All I hear them saying about it is that it cruises fast and has tons of power.
I agree, the V speeds are higher than a king air but in some countries aswell as ours many years ago, 300 hour guys were flying jets for major airlines.
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masteryoda
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Air Mikisew
My bretheren,
One must understand that if the Europeans are puting their 230 total time wonders right seat on regional jets & A319 with frozen ATPL's then we should not have a problem with King Air's, DC-3's and so on. At Air Mikiscrew, Management, seems to think that you should be given the Order Of Canada, before you go onto the 206 or 207.
Then they make you go right seat on the Navajo, then right seat on the BE99, then right seat on the J-31. Finally after signing bonds for 2 years from the BE99 and onward, you get to cool your corn hole off with a 1 year bond as captain on the Navajo.
Before you know it there will be bonds for the 206 207. Problem is that if the BE99 makes it's arrival in the spring, then they will do away with one single & Navajo. 800 dollars for renting a little bedroom within a house a Tim Horton's employees rubbing their $17/hr. job in your face in the most expensive city in Canada, coupled up with Management from behind on you or a lack there of, while you are on all fours, is enough to make the Afghanastan mission seem comparable. Happiness is Fort Mcmurray in my rear view mirror.
One must understand that if the Europeans are puting their 230 total time wonders right seat on regional jets & A319 with frozen ATPL's then we should not have a problem with King Air's, DC-3's and so on. At Air Mikiscrew, Management, seems to think that you should be given the Order Of Canada, before you go onto the 206 or 207.
Then they make you go right seat on the Navajo, then right seat on the BE99, then right seat on the J-31. Finally after signing bonds for 2 years from the BE99 and onward, you get to cool your corn hole off with a 1 year bond as captain on the Navajo.
Before you know it there will be bonds for the 206 207. Problem is that if the BE99 makes it's arrival in the spring, then they will do away with one single & Navajo. 800 dollars for renting a little bedroom within a house a Tim Horton's employees rubbing their $17/hr. job in your face in the most expensive city in Canada, coupled up with Management from behind on you or a lack there of, while you are on all fours, is enough to make the Afghanastan mission seem comparable. Happiness is Fort Mcmurray in my rear view mirror.I understand your situation and here is my opinion:
-if you are a pilot and want to make a living flying airplanes, go get a flying job!!!!
Get some time and then you can choose where you want to work. The way the industry is moving right now, there should be alot of vacancies at the entry levels.
-if you are a pilot and want to make a living flying airplanes, go get a flying job!!!!
Get some time and then you can choose where you want to work. The way the industry is moving right now, there should be alot of vacancies at the entry levels.
I guess it depends the type of strips you're flying your 200 into. We have short strips we don't want to go into on a heavy hot day after looking at the performance charts...veloz wrote:last time i flew a 200 i dont remenber having to look up any performance charts at all just fill her up and go
For sure not the same machine as a 200 but not too different. I don't think bandit meant go and fly that 1900 just like a king air - rather the similarities in systems etc etc... Not too complex...veloz wrote:now if you are going to fly the 1900 just like a king air will be hearing from your accident report.
Lots of companies operate 200's under 704. So what? ASDA AGDA a few extra restrictions on ops specs? I don't see how this makes a big difference?veloz wrote:the 1900 is a relative easy a/c to fly for its class however you are flying a 704 machine and you got different regulations to adhere too.
Fair enough, when is the 200 hour pilot ever the ideal candidate for any job! But flying every leg and sticking them on radio bench warmer duty is probably why it is taking them 6 months to get up to speed! Show them that they are expected to perform from DAY 1 and you will see a much faster development from them and not have to work as hard in the long run[/quote]veloz wrote:having flown the 1900 with wet behind the ear pilots for the first 6 month you are flying single pilot that is how far behind the 200 hour pilot are that is if you are going leg for leg, if they are just doing radio work
No question the better candidate would be anyone who has been flying and gaining experience, float or otherwise, compared to the malnourished rampie who's IFR is about to expire and hasn't been in a plane except to clean it for the past 18 months! But this is how the industry goes - until someone says no more... until everyone says no more low time guys will be getting the pole... But I guess the system is what helps keep these companies prospering and me employed...veloz wrote:from my experience the best candidates would have a few season of floats .
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masteryoda
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Air Mikisew
Altiplano, are you o.k.? you don't think that if we got higher wages so that we could afford our rent, they would'nt work it into the price? You are gullablle and obviously new in the game. You probably don't know what it's like to pay $800 for a bedroom in Fort McMurray for a couple of years while on the ramp. You are the dream employee for Air Mikisew 
I guess it's either that or your cornhole has been abused so your used to taking it.
Air Mikipooh needs new meat like you. You would be happy with a ramp job for 3 years @ below minimum wage and then a flying job on a 172 bonded
looser.......
I guess it's either that or your cornhole has been abused so your used to taking it. Air Mikipooh needs new meat like you. You would be happy with a ramp job for 3 years @ below minimum wage and then a flying job on a 172 bonded
looser.......If you have have been working the ramp for a couple years and still can't afford rent, there is something seriously wrong with you.
What the hell have you doing on the ramp for a couple years? You like cleaning toilets and working shit hours?
It's pretty obvious that your chances of moving up are pretty slim if it hasn't happened already.
Maybe your attitude sucks and you strut around acting like you own the place because you've been there so long and you think the company owes you something.
Well, they owe you nothing.
During all the time you spent on the ramp bitching and complaining made the company realize that you don't have the profile they are looking for in flight crew.
And now, what are you gonna do? Sent out resumes with 200 hrs and 3 years on the ramp at mikisew?
I can just imagine a job interview for you:
So you worked 3 years on the ramp for mikisew right?
uhhhh....yeah.....
So why have you not got on the right seat yet? I know they have been doing alot of hiring?
uhhh....I don't know.....They got a 1900 and that really sucks......uhhhh..will we be done by 4, the Simpons are on......
What the hell have you doing on the ramp for a couple years? You like cleaning toilets and working shit hours?
It's pretty obvious that your chances of moving up are pretty slim if it hasn't happened already.
Maybe your attitude sucks and you strut around acting like you own the place because you've been there so long and you think the company owes you something.
Well, they owe you nothing.
During all the time you spent on the ramp bitching and complaining made the company realize that you don't have the profile they are looking for in flight crew.
And now, what are you gonna do? Sent out resumes with 200 hrs and 3 years on the ramp at mikisew?
I can just imagine a job interview for you:
So you worked 3 years on the ramp for mikisew right?
uhhhh....yeah.....
So why have you not got on the right seat yet? I know they have been doing alot of hiring?
uhhh....I don't know.....They got a 1900 and that really sucks......uhhhh..will we be done by 4, the Simpons are on......
masteryoda
I have no idea who you are but I am not sure why your so mad at Air Mikisew. I have been here 1.5 years and it has not been too bad. Nobody has been on the ground for 2 years yet so whats the matter? Maybe you can't handle the cold. Or you don't like to work. Go try and find a company that doesn't make you work and pays you huge money and will make you an FO in 6 months.
Good Luck
Good Luck
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Absolutely. But until all you guys working for less than everyone else in the province in ANY industry say no more they will keep doing it.masteryoda wrote:Altiplano, are you o.k.? you don't think that if we got higher wages so that we could afford our rent, they would'nt work it into the price?
Well I've got one on you because you are obviously new to spelling...masteryoda wrote:You are gullablle and obviously new in the game.
You're right on there because I would never go to McMurray to work the ramp. I don't have a clue! I did work the ramp when I was doing my training but put it behind me from there... I talked to alot of operators about pilot positions when I was lowish time and was offered minimum wage to live in Fort Nowhere on the ramp and I wouldn't do it. Sorry but you'll have to take advantage of someone else. If I'm going to work a shit job in a shit town I might as well make money doing it...masteryoda wrote: You probably don't know what it's like to pay $800 for a bedroom in Fort McMurray for a couple of years while on the ramp.
You're the one quoting from 2 years of YMM ramp experience there slappy. Hope you can still hold back the shit from dripping down your leg while you fuel my plane...masteryoda wrote:You are the dream employee for Air Mikisew
Hey, I really could give a shit what people do. I'm at a job racking in the multi-turbine time and have to much self worth to let a company take advantage of me so keep tossing bags and getting fucked there cunt-ass.masteryoda wrote:Air Mikipooh needs new meat like you. You would be happy with a ramp job for 3 years @ below minimum wage and then a flying job on a 172 bonded
As for the other rampies that read this good luck - all the respect from me for the way you're trying to break into this industry... It ain't always easy and it ain't always right but you make your own choices in this world...
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Have you considered NOT using your own company's name in your search for pity? If management ever gets over your openly negative attitude and actually puts you in an aircraft, all you're doing is dirtying the name of a company that will eventually appear on your own resume. Very clever.
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masteryoda
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I don't even think you work for us, I don't think anyone that works at Air mikisew would say this shit. Everyone on the ground are very nice guys. If you have a problem go to managemant don't post on avcanada, it makes you look like a pussy.
masteryoda,
perhaps you should buy a PPC and skip the 'dirty work' on the ramp completely. Please see here: http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=23959
perhaps you should buy a PPC and skip the 'dirty work' on the ramp completely. Please see here: http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=23959
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Re: Air Mikisew
You guys have to stop trying to compare putting a 200 hour pilot into weeks of simulaor, SOP, company indoc training, and line checks as they would get in europe, with the "better start studying your ride's tomorrow" type of training Canadian companies tend to give. Totally different world.masteryoda wrote:My bretheren,
One must understand that if the Europeans are puting their 230 total time wonders right seat on regional jets & A319 with frozen ATPL's then we should not have a problem with King Air's, DC-3's and so on. At Air Mikiscrew, Management, seems to think that you should be given the Order Of Canada, before you go onto the 206 or 207.
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And no the 1900 isn't just another King Air. It's not magic either, but it has totally different electrical, fuel, and prop systems to the King Airs as well as much more powerful engines with totally different numbers. Yes with proper training anyone can fly one, but do you think Sikimew is going to send people to Flightsafety or Simuflite?
So what are they replacing with the 1900? The 206? The Ho?
Hmmm...masteryoda wrote:Who am I?
I’m there in darkness, but not in light.
I can be seen in daytime but I’m missing by night.
I’m there in the shadows, but not in sight.
Sounds like a day shift desk jockey, who obviousley feels secure in his job enough to mouth off...
Jerk
Skip the bullshit and funny business and get straight to the facts...
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This is a message to Whipper and to any one else, who wants to accuse someone at his or her company:
I see that you have removed your post Whipper. Good.
The damage that can be caused by accusing someone behind their back is irreversible, whether they did it or not is not what is important; a forum is not the place to start calling people out. Think first. If the person you are accusing is guilty, then the forum is not the place. However, if the person you are accusing is innocent, that, mon vieux, is not honourable. You can kill someone’s career before it even gets off the ground.
What if someone accused you on a forum like this? How would you and your co-workers feel? They are probably wondering who is next to be accused. Employees cannot work effectively or safely when the their minds are worrying about their jobs and what is being said about them, than on the task at hand on site.
Your post is more immature and more damaging to your company than anything that Masteryoda can ever say about Air Mikisew.
Would I want to work at a company that has employees that backstab each other? That accuses each other? NO!!
You had better think twice, sir. Your actions have caused for Air Mikisew what Masteryoda was trying to do. You have qualified his words by your actions.
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This is a message to Whipper and to any one else, who wants to accuse someone at his or her company:
I see that you have removed your post Whipper. Good.
The damage that can be caused by accusing someone behind their back is irreversible, whether they did it or not is not what is important; a forum is not the place to start calling people out. Think first. If the person you are accusing is guilty, then the forum is not the place. However, if the person you are accusing is innocent, that, mon vieux, is not honourable. You can kill someone’s career before it even gets off the ground.
What if someone accused you on a forum like this? How would you and your co-workers feel? They are probably wondering who is next to be accused. Employees cannot work effectively or safely when the their minds are worrying about their jobs and what is being said about them, than on the task at hand on site.
Your post is more immature and more damaging to your company than anything that Masteryoda can ever say about Air Mikisew.
Would I want to work at a company that has employees that backstab each other? That accuses each other? NO!!
You had better think twice, sir. Your actions have caused for Air Mikisew what Masteryoda was trying to do. You have qualified his words by your actions.
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