New CPL GND School REQs

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:09 pm

So...Come Dec 1st required groundschool goes upto 80 hours from 40....thats on BIG jump

Adam Oke · Post by **Adam Oke** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:52 pm

Any referance as to where you found that.

Would that change be applicable for anyone who completed groundschool before that date and in the final stages of CPL, by any chance?

C-GPFG · Post by **C-GPFG** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:31 am

Here's the reference...

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/publi ... .htm#3-2-5

Your CPL has to be signed off on or before Dec. 31 not to be affected by this.

Zapp Brannigan · Post by **Zapp Brannigan** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:33 am

What!?

I really wonder what the requirment would be if you write the test, and are just completing the flight time. This could seriously screw me. I won't be too many hours from being signed off, but finished ground school and the exam almost a year ago.

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:39 pm

*** minimum 10 takeoffs, circuits and landings

hehe that's my fav part...how can you get your 200 hours without having done atleast 10 takeoff & landings?

it just means you have to record your daytime VFR TO/Landings now

Chemtech · Post by **Chemtech** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:31 pm

So i'm halfway through my CPL groundschool approx. 30hrs....so does that mean i'm screwed and need to do 50 more hrs to be sidned off. What if i have the sign off and the exam done before Dec 31 like stated above. That link doesnt give very much info. Any help would be appreciated.

Chemtech

Lands Like Brick · Post by **Lands Like Brick** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:45 pm

Would it be 80hrs total, as in 40 hrs private 40 hrs CPL???

Icebound · Post by **Icebound** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:46 pm

Justwannafly wrote:So...Come Dec 1st required groundschool goes upto 80 hours from 40....thats on BIG jump

Are you sure that that is not just a typo in the AIM???

The CARS:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... htm#421_30

...should be more definitive than the AIM, and the CARs say 40.

DIVISION VII - COMMERCIAL PILOT LICENCE

421.30 Aeroplanes - Requirements

(3) Knowledge

An applicant shall have:

(a) completed a minimum of 40 hours commercial pilot aeroplane ground school instruction on the following subjects:

TC Guy · Post by **TC Guy** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:54 am

Icebound wrote:Are you sure that that is not just a typo in the AIM???

No, that is not a typo.

The change comes into effect on December 1st.

Remember, "groundschool" does not only mean training done in a classroom setting. It can be online, or some structured "self-study" program, as long as it is accepted by the CFI of the flight training unit.

The CARS will be updated when the regulation comes into force.

-Guy

TC Aviator · Post by **TC Aviator** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:23 am

Hey Folks,

Don't get excited, there is an exemption coming out for the transition to the new 80 hour CPL groundschool requirement.

Stay tuned to the TC website.

ACA235 · Post by **ACA235** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:11 am

What they fail to mention is that this can be self study as well!

Transport Canada aka The evil empire

Zapp Brannigan · Post by **Zapp Brannigan** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:42 am

I'm wondering how the schools are going to structure a 80 hours ground school program for CPL. What are the additional subjects? Seems that since a change is comming forth Dec 1st, there is no inofrmation on what is going to be expected for 80 hours.

Self study means what, I read books, do exercises and the school has to approve and supervise me?

C-GPFG · Post by **C-GPFG** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:01 pm

We've tailored the new syllabus with more time on the weak areas. We've added more sectional exams as well.

BTD · Post by **BTD** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:32 pm

Justwannafly wrote:
*** minimum 10 takeoffs, circuits and landings
hehe that's my fav part...how can you get your 200 hours without having done atleast 10 takeoff & landings?

it just means you have to record your daytime VFR TO/Landings now

10 takeoffs and landings are for the night portion (see ***)

Chemtech · Post by **Chemtech** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:24 am

The exemption for the 80 hrs

Must have proof (PTR) that you started ground school before Dec 1

Must have your exam writen by March 1 2007

Must have applied for licence by March 1 2009

meet these and you do not have to do the additional 40 hrs. Miss any of those dates and you have to.

niko · Post by **niko** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:30 pm

Chemtech wrote:The exemption for the 80 hrs

Must have proof (PTR) that you started ground school before Dec 1

Must have your exam writen by March 1 2007

Must have applied for licence by March 1 2009

meet these and you do not have to do the additional 40 hrs. Miss any of those dates and you have to.

Where did you find that info? Reference please.

Chemtech · Post by **Chemtech** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:20 pm

Nico thats right from transport

TC Guy · Post by **TC Guy** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:02 pm

Chemtech wrote:Nico thats right from transport

*** WARNING ***

If you want to hear the latest from TC, you should call them NOW. Things have changed in the past week or so.

There was an exemption planned and drafted, but somewhere in Ottawa there was a decision made to NOT impliment it.

So: Any application dated after December 14th (when it was signed into law by the Minister, was originally supposed to be December 1st) it will be refused unless 80 hours of groundschool is shown in the PTR.

LOL, and for those of you who doubt the above information, I would STRONGLY suggest that you contact your local TC Licencing people BEFORE submitting your CPL application.

Oh, and don't shoot the messanger. I am as confused as you are.

-Guy

frac · Post by **frac** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:28 am

TC Guy wrote: So: Any application dated after December 14th (when it was signed into law by the Minister, was originally supposed to be December 1st) -Guy

I will see how it goes, my form is dated December 11th, I Fedexed it from Paris France on the 13th and it was received at a Pacific Region TC Office at 10:12 PST on the 14th. I have less than the now required 80hrs Ground School logged in my PTR.

I didn't see any modifications to the CARs or any information published in the Canada Gazette, could you confirm that it is already passed into law or will it only be law when this information will actually be published somewhere (Maybe I missed something).

Regards,

Frac

TC Guy · Post by **TC Guy** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:47 pm

frac wrote:
TC Guy wrote: So: Any application dated after December 14th (when it was signed into law by the Minister, was originally supposed to be December 1st) -Guy
I will see how it goes, my form is dated December 11th, I Fedexed it from Paris France on the 13th and it was received at a Pacific Region TC Office at 10:12 PST on the 14th. I have less than the now required 80hrs Ground School logged in my PTR.

Well, actually, the date of application is NOT the date it reaches our office, but the date on the form. So, if your form is dated prior to the implementation date, you should be just fine.

frac wrote:I didn't see any modifications to the CARs or any information published in the Canada Gazette, could you confirm that it is already passed into law or will it only be law when this information will actually be published somewhere (Maybe I missed something).

Again, I am not here to make your life any more difficult. It has not (as of when I checked a few hours ago) yet made it into the CARs. I have been told that it takes some time (a few days) before they get to updating the internet version of the CARs.

I will keep checking, and post the reference when it becomes available.

Oh, if you have questions regarding your application, you should phone the Pacific Region Licencing office (between 8am and 4pm PST)... they can put your mind at ease. You really shouldn't have a problem.

Their contact information is here: http://www.tc.gc.ca/pacific/aboutus/tcnumbers.htm

Aircraft & Personnel Licensing: (604) 666-5571

I hope that helps.

-Guy

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