Time free from duty...?

[Maxxed out]

Just wondering, in relation to the CAR's 700.19(1)(a), can you legally work 8 days on, 36 hrs off, 4 days on, 36 hrs off and then 2 days on? I thought if you didn't get 36 hrs off within 7 then they had to give you 3 consecutive days off with 17 days.... Or am I just reading that wrong?

Thanks

[PeteThePilot]

The only problem I see is the 8 days on with only 36 hours off. You are right about the rules though. You would have to have 3 off before you did anymore than 6. So technically you need 3 off before the 8 on and then 3 off after to make it legal. But if the total block of duty is 14 days even if there are combos of days on and days off and there are not 3 consecutive days off then you would need 3 off before and 3 off after. In your case I think the total days is over 17 right?

If you are on reserve the rules are different. No more that 5 Res days and then 2 off. Oh and training changes things too.

Its been a while since I had to look at this stuff.

[J31]

Just wondering, in relation to the CAR's 700.19(1)(a), can you legally work 8 days on, 36 hrs off, 4 days on, 36 hrs off and then 2 days on? Thanks

No. If you work more than 5 1/2 days you have to be able to see 3 days off (or 80 hours) in 17.

Merry Christmas

[twinpratts]

I don't know all those pesky rules... I just call Crew Sked and ask them. They're always ready to help .

[Martin Tamme]

The way the CARs 36/7 or 3/17 works is that everyday you are planning to fly, you have to count backwards:

1) First count backwards to see if you had 36 consecutive hours off in the past 7 days; If not then

2) Count backwards to see if you had 3 consecutive calendar days or 80 consecutive hours off in the past 17 days.

Below you will find a pilot’s schedule for 2 concurrent months. In this example, the pilot is illegal twice, once on the 13th of the 2nd month, and then again on the 14th.

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   DTE TXN  PRNG STRT  END  CDT  P TBES   DTE TXN  PRNG STRT  END  CDT  P TBES  
   02F 607 T3888 0800 1247 00425 P RT32   18S       "                     RT32  
   03S 607 T3931 0515              RT32   19M       "                     RT32  
   04S       "        1829 01234 P RT32   20T       "        1226 01657 P RT32  
   05M 607 T3982 1645 2154 00425 P RT32   21W 607 T3005 0515 1735 00940 P RT32  
   06T     T048  0954              RT32   22T     G048  0555              RT32  
   07W     T048                    RT32   23F     G048                    RT32  
   08T     T048  0954 0954         RT32   24S     G048  0555 0555         RT32  
   09F     O024       0954         RT32   25S     O048                    RT32  
   10S 610              1110 00200 RT32   26M     O048  0555 0555         RT32  
   11S 607 T3422 0850 1707 00611 P RT32   27T     O024  0555 0555         RT32  
   12M 191       0001              RT32   28W     G048                    RT32  
   13T 191              2400       RT32   29T 607 T3164 0615 0555         RT32  
   14W     T048B 1800              RT32   30F       "                     RT32  
   15T     T048B                   RT32   01S       "        >>>> 01857 P RT32  
   16F     T048B      2400         RT32                                   
   17S 607 T3858 1710              RT32                                 CRKM43
 PROTC-00000 CURT-07509 REMT-00000 PRJT-07509 AVLT-00951  





   DTE TXN  PRNG STRT  END  CDT  P TBES   DTE TXN  PRNG STRT  END  CDT  P TBES  
   02S 607 T3164 <<<< 1904 00740 P RT32   18T     T048                    RT32  
   03M 607 T3187 0715              RT32   19W     T048  1050 1050         RT32  
   04T       "                     RT32   20T     O024  1050 1050         RT32  
   05W       "   1937 0737 01704 P RT32   21F     G048                    RT32  
   06T     T048B                   RT32   22S     G048  1050 1050         RT32  
   07F     T048B                   RT32   23S     O024       1050         RT32  
   08S 607 T3994 0600 0137         RT32   24M                             RT32  
   09S       "        1937 01239 P RT32   25T                             RT32  
   10M 607 T3265 0845 1655 00425 P RT32   26W                             RT32  
   11T 615 T3958 0845      00000   RT32   27T     G048  0001              RT32  
   12W       "        1440         RT32   28F     G048       2400         RT32  
   13T       "                     RT32   29S                             RT32  
   14F       "        2250 02438   RT32   30S                             RT32  
   15S     O048  1050              RT32   31M                             RT32  
   16S     O048                    RT32                                         
   17M     O048  1050 1050         RT32                                 CRKM43  
 PROTC-00000 CURT-04148 REMT-02438 PRJT-06626 AVLT-01834  

13th
Counting 7 days back from the 13th of the 2nd month (7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th & 13th), the pilot needed 36 hours off. On the 7th, he had a full day, or 24 hours, off. He reported to work on the 8th at 06:00. This means that he only had 30 hours off. He would have been legal had he started work at 12:00.

Since he didn't have 36 hours off, count 17 backwards from the 13th, i.e. from the 27th the 13th. In this time period he needed either 3 consecutive calendar days or 80 consecutive hours off. He only had 70:23 off (5th to the 8th). The other off-duty period was on the 27th & 28th of the first month (48 hours + 6:15 on the 29th). Therefore, he only had 54:15 off during this time period.


14th
The 14th is a lot more obvious. Again counting back 7 days from the 14th (8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th & 14th), he had at most 16 hours off. Again counting back 17 days from the 14th, he doesn't have 3 consecutive calendar days or 80 hours off.

I hope this helps in understanding CARs



P.S.

A lot of guys have asked me if layover time counts towards the 36 hours off in 7 days. The answer is yes and no:

The 36 hours off-duty period will only count if the pilot was truly free from duty. This means that the Company cannot contact the pilot regarding his flight assignment. In other words, if Crew Scheduling contacts you on your 36 hours off regarding your flight assignment, then you are not free from duty.

I had some stuff on this from TC, but I could presently only find the following:

Time Free From Duty

[Maxxed out]

Thanks guys, That was how I was reading and applying the rule. Thought I might have missed something though. I guess I will have to call crew sked and see what they want to do.

Thanks for the help
Merry Christmas

[Rockie]

Here's a link to the CAR's guidance material on that subject.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/comme ... tm#R740.19