"We had our radio turned down"

Axial Flow · Post by **Axial Flow** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:50 pm

Because the industry is booming and there are TALDS everywhere ?

Scuba_Steve · Post by **Scuba_Steve** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:53 pm

I've turned mine down to get atis or something else on a different frequency but I make sure its still audible...

if its two crew I made the PNF listen to the #1 com while I do something on the other freq.

flybye · Post by **flybye** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:56 pm

I guess it wouldn't be professional, but you should've said "Oh OK, well we're gonna turn off our radar for a while, so keep your eyes peeled. Good luck!"

Braun · Post by **Braun** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:01 am

and get fined 5000$ lol

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:02 am

flybye wrote:I guess it wouldn't be professional, but you should've said "Oh OK, well we're gonna turn off our radar for a while, so keep your eyes peeled. Good luck!"

How about:

"Well sir I recommend if you turn down your radio, you turn up that fish finder"

Check Pilot · Post by **Check Pilot** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:15 am

That is NOT a professional crew or pilot (single pilot maybe?). At FL 250 it sounds like one of those "Business" owner types. If it was non commercial and turbine powered and pressurized, it was one of those magic and now mystic CAR 604 guys that can do no wrong according to the CBAA, with their "ya can't do no wrong " mentality "when you're with us". "All is safe and right with the world now that you have seen the light" and paid your fees to us. (Because you have no choice now).

Was this a commercial carrier or a private idiot out there in his personal Cheyenne?

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:58 am

In the helicopter, I don't even turn it on much......

STL

adhc2 · Post by **adhc2** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:17 am

I presume if your at flite level 250 on a busy route you would be in contact with centre so they would have u on radar and being on IFR you would have seperation. Did you check with them on the status of other A/C? Stuff happens and thats why we have the checks and balances, hard to say what the other pilots problem was he could of been busy with some kinda problem, or maybe a tired and over worked pilot makin a human error.

Hard to say , but one thing for sure we all make mistakes.

wingtip · Post by **wingtip** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:56 am

Probably so they didn't have to listen to this GOOF!

Check Pilot wrote:That is NOT a professional crew or pilot (single pilot maybe?). At FL 250 it sounds like one of those "Business" owner types. If it was non commercial and turbine powered and pressurized, it was one of those magic and now mystic CAR 604 guys that can do no wrong according to the CBAA, with their "ya can't do no wrong " mentality "when you're with us". "All is safe and right with the world now that you have seen the light" and paid your fees to us. (Because you have no choice now).

Was this a commercial carrier or a private idiot out there in his personal Cheyenne?

cumufsumyunguy · Post by **cumufsumyunguy** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:27 am

He didn't say that he turned it down on purpose, he just said that they had it turned down...my guess, they accidently turned it down and upon noticing how quiet it got after 15 minutes, they discovered the problem. It's called finger trouble and it's not uncommon.

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:15 am

cumufsumyunguy wrote:He didn't say that he turned it down on purpose, he just said that they had it turned down...my guess, they accidently turned it down and upon noticing how quiet it got after 15 minutes, they discovered the problem. It's called finger trouble and it's not uncommon.

That'd be my bet too. ... but he should have said as much.. something like "finger trouble had us nordo for a while, sorry about that"

fanspeed · Post by **fanspeed** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:17 am

cumufsumyunguy wrote:He didn't say that he turned it down on purpose, he just said that they had it turned down...my guess, they accidently turned it down and upon noticing how quiet it got after 15 minutes, they discovered the problem. It's called finger trouble and it's not uncommon.

I agree with you there 100 percent! In the aircraft I fly, much of the time we fly with headsets off, and we constanly change the volume, as some freq sem to be louder, or the controller doesn't speak loud enough-whatever.

Liftdumper · Post by **Liftdumper** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:14 am

Check pilot , you are an idiot,after years of reading dip shit things on this site you my friend are the winner.

Fatass · Post by **Fatass** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:25 am

Ya, sounds like a case of fat fingers.

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:07 am

There's lots of embarrassing reasons why the radio might be turned down, none of which are legitimate. But it happens sometimes because we're human. I like the fat fingers reason.

The funniest dressing down I ever heard was over France when a controller asked in a very french accent "do you think it's normal to fly all the way across central Europe without talking to anyone?"

No..it wasn't me.

2R · Post by 2R » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:10 am

Maybe they had the music up too loud drowning out the atc

Turkey · Post by **Turkey** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:09 am

cpl_atc wrote:Ok. I need someone to explain to me why this seemed like a rational course of action.

Why would anyone flying at FL250 along a busy southern corridor in the middle of a 700nm trip suddenly decide to "turn their radio down for a while" with no explanation whatsoever after the fact?

Can anyone offer a plausible explanation for the aircraft's actions?

Anyone who thinks it was a conscious decision to turn off ATC doesn't deserve an explanation.

...On second thought. (Perhaps that was a little too harsh.)

Buddy, although I wasn't in that cockpit, I can assure you that they didn't "decide" to turn their radio down for a while. It happens. By accident. It sucks. Get over it.

Have a beer. Tell a joke. Re-think how awesome the Team Canada Juniors are. Go back to work tomorow, and enjoy yourself.

Concestor 0 · Post by **Concestor 0** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:30 am

No doubt it's a common problem but fairly easy to prevent. If you're two crew, verbally indicate to the second crew member that you are turning off/down a particular frequency that you want them to monitor. If you're single pilot keep you're finger on the volume knob for the few seconds it takes you to get the ATIS, talk to company or whatever. Works for me.
If you have to go off freq for a while (getting wx with just one radio for example) tell ATC. I've never heard them having a problem with that.

The Other Kind · Post by **The Other Kind** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:58 am

cpl_atc you're missing the point, even though it's been mentioned here more than once.

I'm sure that they didn't decide to go NORDO for 15 min, it was human error. Picking up an ATIS or making a quick broadcast on a second radio is the most likely reason.

If you want, we can all start telling you we want to step off freq every time we need to get an ATIS. I doubt you want that, so I suggest you get over it.

PS. Can I treat you with the same contempt the next time you forget to issue me my approach clearance or hand me off to the next controller?

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:08 pm

Did you call them a stupid cunt?

I must admit, I've had the radios down to listen to another frequency, and have forgotten it, mind you it was caught a few minutes later.

2milefinal · Post by **2milefinal** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:28 pm

This turning Down(or off) the radio so you can hear the other one is a bad habit imho. If you do this, make sure you have a system to remind yourself to turn it back up/on.

"ABC THATS YOUR THIRD CALL...HOW DO YOU READ?"

... I always like hearing that one.

Brewguy · Post by **Brewguy** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:23 pm

cpl_atc wrote:...Why would anyone flying at FL250 along a busy southern corridor in the middle of a 700nm trip suddenly decide to "turn their radio down for a while" with no explanation whatsoever after the fact?
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Can anyone offer a plausible explanation for the aircraft's actions?

cpl_atc wrote:The explanation they offered upon landing was that they purposely turned the radio down "because there was too much chatter".

Don't tell me what does or does not deserve an explanation.

Um, am I the only one here who noticed you contradicting yourself? How can they have given "no explanation whatsoever after the fact" and yet have offered you an explanation after landing?

Why are you here asking the members of this forum for an explanation, when you say that the crew in question already told you that "they purposely turned the radio down because there was too much chatter"

If you are simply looking for someone to back up their ("because of too much chatter") decision; you should have said that when you first started this thread ... in which case the conversation here may have gone in an entirely different direction.

wrc · Post by **wrc** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:27 pm

It happens, try not to but sure enough it can. Just last week the other pilot goes to the Lav, I have ATC, sure enough, F/A then calls with a request for heat. Next thing you know, "ding-dong" ACARS calling, Atlanta wants you on 118.02. Sheepish thanks to dispatch and call to Atlanta. I thought I had ATC 1 & 2 depressed when I went to service intercom but apparently not. We try not to let it happen but it does, to most of us.

snaproll20 · Post by **snaproll20** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:50 pm

Well, in all the exchanges, I cannot figure if this crew admitted to deliberately turning down the radio.....BUT

There is a radio, Collins, I believe, that has the volume knob in the middle of the channel selector stack. I lost count of the number of times we got caught by that piece of liability.....especially with new pilots onboard (usually on their first request for taxi clearance!!!!)and we consciously checked the god****ned thing. Could this have happened?

Anyway, next time, cpl_atc,. when an aircraft disappears off the radio, get a quick post on Avcanada. The shit that gets thrown on here HAS to get up to 25,000 feet and the splattered windshield may clue the crew.

Stay KOOOOL!!!!!

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