"Well his dad is an A340 Capt and he says..."

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:24 pm

My Dad works AC ramp in YYZ. Its a job to him, thats about it, so he doesnt really know the path to becoming a pilot. I have my cpl with my 200 hours and I get the "Theres a kid on the ramp whose just finishing his training, and his Dad is a 330 AC captain...hes says once hes done his training he's going to get in no problems after a bit of flight instructing"

I used to work ramp, I know the guy hes talking of (I wont name anyone)...But I try to tell him that it takes a while to build hours to be on par with competition getting into Air Canada, and that itd most likely take a little longer than a bit of instructing.

So my question to all you AC pilots is, if you have really GOOD contact at AC what would be the min. number of hours to be able to fly with AC? I just cant buy that a bit of instructing time is going to get a guy in, even if his father works there. Any opinions? I could be wrong, hence the post

sportingrifle · Post by **sportingrifle** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:08 pm

When I was hired, all applicants futures were decided by one overblown secratary. If she liked you, (or your dad) you were in. If she didn't like the sound of your voice on the phone (literally) you were toast. She even had the coyones to come into our new hire class ( average experience 6000 hours and 3 years post secondary education) and tell us that as soon as her son had his atpl, he was going to be on with us! Somebody finally got wind of how capricious this whole situation was and that is one of the reasons why the initial screening is now conducted by an outside HR consulting agency. The agency decides who gets an interview based on a points system. Apparently, so the rumor goes, Miltons kids don't get an interview unless they are at the top of the points ranking. I suspect however, that contacts will help once you get to the interview stage. Hope this helps and gives encouragement to those who did not have the good fortune to be genetically well connected.

bobcaygeon · Post by **bobcaygeon** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:46 pm

Didn't the last hiring lady (2000ish)get turfed for accepting gifts?

Anyone know if Jennifer likes Baby Duck??????

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:14 pm

Come on, who doesn't like Baby Duck

Knowing people helps, doesn't matter what you do for a living.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:45 am

bobcaygeon wrote:Didn't the last hiring lady (2000ish)get turfed for accepting gifts?

Anyone know if Jennifer likes Baby Duck??????

Bribes won't get your freeze lifted any earlier!

You've got your seniority number reserved for you, what's the rush?!

(got a course date yet?)

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:37 pm

size matters boys.. No one likes baby dick...

Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:52 pm

I had one fella tell me he was going to be right seat on the RJ when he got 400 hours 'cause his dad was at AC.

I told him I would tell him how the real world works when I stop laughing.....I'm still laughing.

bobcaygeon · Post by **bobcaygeon** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:07 pm

Disco

I'm an airline pilot not an Tibetan monk....... I knew I took a vow of poverty coming to Jazz but I didn't think it would be a 10 year vow(I'm at 9 years already). The sooner I'm outta here, the sooner I can get the 2 years of flat pay over with.

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:54 pm

bobcaygeon wrote:The sooner I'm outta here, the sooner I can get the 2 years of flat pay over with.

For what it's worth:

The following is taken directly out of the Collective Agreement - Entitlements under LOU 18 (Please, don't ask me what it really means or if the Company is adhering to it, however so far, no one has complained):

LOU 18.05 Implementation Date
1. Seniority number & date
2. Flat Salary duration & amount
3. Formula pay commencement
4. New Hire Freeze expiry (Article 25.17) voided under LOU 66
5. Pass Service date & entitlement
6. Vacation entitlement (includes up to 4 yrs. connector credit)

Flight Staff Employment Date
1. Job (Position) selection (equip/base)
2. Air Canada insurance & benefit coverage

P.S. LOU 18.05 Implementation Date is the date you should have been on the property had you not been frozen @ Jazz. Flight Staff Employment Date is the actual date you start your PIT (formerly known as the 550 Course).

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:14 pm

Pete wrote:
So my question to all you AC pilots is, if you have really GOOD contact at AC what would be the min. number of hours to be able to fly with AC?

Taken from the transcripts from the Human Rights Tribunal on Age 60 Retirement, January 12th, 2007.

MS TREMBLAY: Can you describe what are the criteria that are considered by Air Canada when it hires pilots?

MR. CLARKE: The criteria is 3,000 hours flying, a valid pilot's licence, the Airline Transport pilot's licence; an education level equivalent to that of university entrance; a medical, or a medical fitness I guess.

MS TREMBLAY: What is the typical background of pilots who are hired by Air Canada?

MR. CLARKE: They generally come from either the military or a smaller airline such as Central Mountain Air, Kelowna Flightcraft, Air Georgian, Jazz.

MEMBER JENSEN: Can I just ask you, you said that the educational requirement is equivalent to university entrance.

MR. CLARKE: Right. So in Québec that would be having completed the CEGEP; in Ontario Grade 13; in other provinces minimum Grade 12. Most pilots do have a university education.

MS TREMBLAY: What can you tell us about applications or the number of applications that we get of pilots who are interested in joining Air Canada?

MR. CLARKE: The Pilot Recruitment Department collects the résumés on line, so they can come in at any time. If we are hiring word gets out and we tend to see more résumés come in at that time.

MS TREMBLAY: How many applications would we have? If we received them on line, how many applications would we have outstanding at any given point in time?

MR. CLARKE: At present we have approximately 4,000 résumés on file, of which around 1,300 meet the minimum requirements.

MS TREMBLAY: These are the minimum requirements that you have just described?

MR. CLARKE: Yes.

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:46 pm

So today I decided to pay Flight Ops HQ a visit and spent a few hours chatting with Dave Legge, Doug Bastow & Jay Musselman (for those of you who are unaware, they are the top 3 head honchos in Flight Ops).

While chatting with them, who happens to walk in? Well, it's Jennifer. I started teasing her regarding this thread.

Well, apparently Jennifer is familiar with this Forum and visits here quite frequently. She wanted to make a comment reagarding the Baby Duck, however, she is afraid that once you guys figure out her handle, her PM box will constantly be full.

As such, I'm passing the message on for her that she does not like Baby Duck; rather she likes beer. Yes guys, just beer.

P.S. I asked her if she's figured out who hides behind the handles of the various posters here. She said she figured out most of them: As soon as someone posts their credentials, she knows who they are.

TFE731 · Post by **TFE731** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:13 am

Martin Tamme wrote:As such, I'm passing the message on for her that she does not like Baby Duck; rather she likes beer. Yes guys, just beer.

P.S. I asked her if she's figured out who hides behind the handles of the various posters here. She said she figured out most of them: As soon as someone posts their credentials, she knows who they are.

Priceless!

Ten bucks says someone tomorrow comes strolling into the building looking for Jen with a case of bud light straddled under their arm!

socrates · Post by **socrates** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:54 am

Hey Martin,

Did you ask the head guys if the company would let the unions merge if there were to be an agreement?

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:58 pm

socrates wrote:Hey Martin,

Did you ask the head guys if the company would let the unions merge if there were to be an agreement?

Actually, Jay asked me what we were up to; what the ACPA-ALPA meetings were all about.

I think a lot of people are stil confused as to what the talks are all about and what we are trying to achieve.

Please go back to this thread: http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... highlight=, and read on from my posting half way down the page, posted on July 22nd, 2006 (i.e. "It's not what you are thinking...")

Flightlevels · Post by **Flightlevels** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:25 pm

I call of bullcrap on figuring out the handles.

Stick-Shaker · Post by **Stick-Shaker** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:31 am

Knowing someone in the flt ops dept used to mean much more than it does now. You still need to jump through the hoops. AND if you are closely affiliated with someone at AC (ie: dad/uncle is a 330 skipper, etc) you are mandated to go through an additional hoop of the hiring review board. Essentially, they insure there is no bias to your acceptance. The "Air Canada Family" is a phenomenon that exists only in a very minor role, unlike years ago that it almost assured you a job. (I am speaking from my own experience)

Further to this, I also have a friend of mine with substantial jet experience, (and who's father is a skipper at AC) that was PFO'd.

I hope this helps answer your question.

748 ho · Post by **748 ho** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:30 pm

YAHH MEN THAT OLD BAT DON'T KNOW WHO THE HO IS HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

uncleron · Post by **uncleron** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:02 pm

Hi Martin,

Can you explain what you mean by LOU 66 voiding point #4 of LOU 18...not really sure what it means.

Thanks

LOU 18.05 Implementation Date
1. Seniority number & date
2. Flat Salary duration & amount
3. Formula pay commencement
4. New Hire Freeze expiry (Article 25.17) voided under LOU 66
5. Pass Service date & entitlement
6. Vacation entitlement (includes up to 4 yrs. connector credit)

Flight Staff Employment Date
1. Job (Position) selection (equip/base)
2. Air Canada insurance & benefit coverage

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:37 pm

Once upon a time, all newhires were frozen from bidding to another equipment until after they had served 2 years with the Company.

Under LOU 66, the newhire freeze has been cancelled and a newhire may bid to another equipment on the next equipment bid.

Jercules · Post by **Jercules** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:01 am

Martin
Not sure if you'd have any idea, but you seem to be in the know. Any idea if the "ex-military pension buy-in plan" is a thing of the past?
Thanks

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:10 pm

No, the 'ex-military pension buyback' is not a thing of the past. During CCAA, the Company unilaterally decided to temporarily suspend the buybacks. However, since that time they have slowly been reintroducing this entitlement across the employee groups; for example, targeting such individuals as those on maternity.

While the optional buybacks are supposed to be at 'no cost' to the company, the calculation and administration of these entitlements were neglected over time. Mercer, the human resources company contracted to administer the pension plans, highlighted that these buybacks are actually costing the Company money.

The Company is presently submitting a new methodology and guidelines for buybacks that will affect the former Jazz and military pilots. In other words, you will still be able to buy back your pension, but it may become more expensive.

Jercules · Post by **Jercules** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:59 pm

Thanks Martin!