TWA loses yet another contract

teh_flyguy · Post by **teh_flyguy** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:26 pm

Heard from a couple of places that TWA lost thier SK gov't medivac contract. Is this a temporary thing after the incident with the medivac flight, or is the contract gone for good like the last one that got pulled a few months back?

Grease Monkey · Post by **Grease Monkey** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:10 pm

The medivacs where not a contract. It is just an agreement with the local EMT service in LaRonge.

catIII · Post by **catIII** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:47 am

Heard them in the air doing one yesterday.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:32 pm

who knows what's going to happen to the medivac world now that the NDP feels it's nessasary to buy 2 more airplanes. This election can't come soon enough.

RatherBeFlyingInCanada · Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:11 am

Dust Devil wrote:who knows what's going to happen to the medivac world now that the NDP feels it's nessasary to buy 2 more airplanes. This election can't come soon enough.

The two B200's they're picking up is to replace a/c in their fleet, not add to it.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:19 am

RatherBeFlyingInCanada wrote:
Dust Devil wrote:who knows what's going to happen to the medivac world now that the NDP feels it's nessasary to buy 2 more airplanes. This election can't come soon enough.
The two B200's they're picking up is to replace a/c in their fleet, not add to it.

They shouldn't be replacing anything. They should be downsizing their fleet.

app flap · Post by **app flap** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:53 pm

Thanks for your input, as always - its enlightening!

RatherBeFlyingInCanada · Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:24 am

Dust Devil wrote:
They shouldn't be replacing anything. They should be downsizing their fleet.

What makes you say that?

The Hammer · Post by **The Hammer** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:59 pm

Dust Devil wrote:
RatherBeFlyingInCanada wrote:
Dust Devil wrote:who knows what's going to happen to the medivac world now that the NDP feels it's nessasary to buy 2 more airplanes. This election can't come soon enough.
The two B200's they're picking up is to replace a/c in their fleet, not add to it.
They shouldn't be replacing anything. They should be downsizing their fleet.

Yeah, that way other shit ass companies in SASK. can get the contracts and pocket lots of cash for their owners instead of giving to the pilots & AME's like gov't air does.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:27 pm

RatherBeFlyingInCanada wrote:
Dust Devil wrote:
They shouldn't be replacing anything. They should be downsizing their fleet.
What makes you say that?

Because private companies should not have to compete with the government. If executive air just did flights for MLA's that would be fine. However they also do charters, that isn't right.

gapper · Post by **gapper** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:48 pm

Dust Devil, I somewhat agree with you that government shouldn't compete with private industry,BUT.....Saskatchewan historically has and still has really shoddy flying companys,bordering on criminal. They have treated their people like crap and made them fly crap. If I could get a job with the Sask. government, I would take it over flying for the private companys in Sask. I have met some of the people from Sask. Government flying and found them to be really good people, making a decent living with a future for themselves and their families.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:14 pm

gapper wrote:Dust Devil, I somewhat agree with you that government shouldn't compete with private industry,BUT.....Saskatchewan historically has and still has really shoddy flying companys,bordering on criminal. They have treated their people like crap and made them fly crap. If I could get a job with the Sask. government, I would take it over flying for the private companys in Sask. I have met some of the people from Sask. Government flying and found them to be really good people, making a decent living with a future for themselves and their families.

It's amazing how good a company can be when it has an unlimited budget. Executive Air doesn't even include fuel in their cost to operate because it gets billed to the department of highways. No wonder they can operate King Air's so cheap. I bet there are companies in Saskatchewan that would love to have their fuel bills go out the window just think how much extra money there would be for pilots if operators didn't have to pay for their gas. I'm not disputing that they are good to work for but their book keeping and buisness practices are quite shady.

Pratt Punk · Post by **Pratt Punk** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:29 pm

You own an ex provincial government Navajo that was probably in better mechanical condition back then than it is now and with absolutely no experience with Turbine Air Ambulance operations you are going to dictate to us your great wisdom on how things should be done.

Is the government suppose to charter something like what you have?
Are you turbine powered? pressurized? Do you have an FMS? What kind of simulator training have you had? RVSM Yes/No! Would you allow your technical records and maintenance schedule to be audited?

Lets get something straight! Saskatchewan is the backwoods of aviation in this country. The only reliable/safe turbine charter operator in this Province is Westwind and they do not always have an aircraft available. People are not stupid. They know the difference between a Pratt engine and a Lycoming. Safety is a major issue with government/air ambulance operations and the type of equipment used in this province by charter operators does not go unnoticed.

Its a small aviation community in this province so piss off!

bobcaygeon · Post by **bobcaygeon** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:59 pm

Dust Devil wrote:
gapper wrote:Dust Devil, I somewhat agree with you that government shouldn't compete with private industry,BUT.....Saskatchewan historically has and still has really shoddy flying companys,bordering on criminal. They have treated their people like crap and made them fly crap. If I could get a job with the Sask. government, I would take it over flying for the private companys in Sask. I have met some of the people from Sask. Government flying and found them to be really good people, making a decent living with a future for themselves and their families.
It's amazing how good a company can be when it has an unlimited budget. Executive Air doesn't even include fuel in their cost to operate because it gets billed to the department of highways. No wonder they can operate King Air's so cheap. I bet there are companies in Saskatchewan that would love to have their fuel bills go out the window just think how much extra money there would be for pilots if operators didn't have to pay for their gas. I'm not disputing that they are good to work for but their book keeping and buisness practices are quite shady.

You make a lot of sense.... Not!! Does the gov't operate float planes??? or DHC-6's??? etc... No but the biggest operator in SASK. does and they run it like shit with mickey mouse mtc and pay, even though they have very little competition in this market (only 1 other commercial DHC-6 on floats in Sask., MB, AB) Do you really think they would end their 40 year membership in the Mickey Mouse aviation management club if the gov't got out of airplanes????

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:33 pm

Quote gapper:

.....Saskatchewan historically has and still has really shoddy flying companys,bordering on criminal.

Quote pratt Punk:

Lets get something straight! Saskatchewan is the backwoods of aviation in this country. The only reliable/safe turbine charter operator in this Province is Westwind and they do not always have an aircraft available.

Are we to understand that Saskatchewan historically suffers from substandard air services and the Federal Government who is supposed to guarantee safety and compliance to the law ignores the problem?

So the Provincial Government is forced to operate their own aircraft to ensure safety for their flying needs?

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:39 pm

You own an ex provincial government Navajo that was probably in better mechanical condition back then than it is now and with absolutely no experience with Turbine Air Ambulance operations you are going to dictate to us your great wisdom on how things should be done.

There's nothing wrong with my navajo. It's maintained quite well I'll thank you.

Is the government suppose to charter something like what you have?
Are you turbine powered? pressurized? Do you have an FMS? What kind of simulator training have you had? RVSM Yes/No! Would you allow your technical records and maintenance schedule to be audited?

My tech records are audited on a regular basis by the company I'm contracted to. and the government should not be going work outside the offices of the legislature period. I'm not bitching for their work as I don't need it. My money is made in the survey industry. The occasional charter flight is secondary to my buisness.

Lets get something straight! Saskatchewan is the backwoods of aviation in this country. The only reliable/safe turbine charter operator in this Province is Westwind and they do not always have an aircraft available. People are not stupid. They know the difference between a Pratt engine and a Lycoming. Safety is a major issue with government/air ambulance operations and the type of equipment used in this province by charter operators does not go unnoticed.

You won't catch me slaging on Westwind or any company in this province. I agree that westwind is a good reliable company. I'd rather see them busy or anyone else then see the government busy doing charters for corporations. I'd like nothing more then to see Westwind or Transwest be able to base more aircraft in Regina. I think it's sad that in the capital city of our province the only 2 charter companies are myself and Westwind. It's not a healthy situation for an airport.

Its a small aviation community in this province so piss off!

This kind of comment doesn't deserve a response, but looks like I just did. Oh well.

gapper · Post by **gapper** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:19 pm

Take the time to check the history of fatalities, and accidents in Northern Saskatchewan. Cross reference the names of the companys involved. If I ever need an air-ambulance in Northern Saskatchewan for myself or anyone I know, I will get down on my hands and knees and pray to God that Saskatchewan Government Air does the pick-up.

Pratt Punk · Post by **Pratt Punk** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:05 pm

Just a bunch of old aircraft that charter operators feel will meet the needs of the taxpayer.

If my mother needs to be transported out of province by air ambulance I would much rather see her on a Gov't Kingair that is a couple years old than one that was built before I was born!

Pratt Punk · Post by **Pratt Punk** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:09 pm

Kelly,
I guess its ok to s**t on your neighbors down the street. You shouldn't think so highly of yourself or your aircraft.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:50 am

Pratt Punk wrote:Kelly,
I guess its ok to s**t on your neighbors down the street. You shouldn't think so highly of yourself or your aircraft.

I'm not shitting on anyone. The people in that hangar are great people. I haven't met any of the pilots but I do know some of the mechanics and the girls up front. I don't have a bad thing to say about any of them. I'm saying the government should stick to their mandate and stay out of the private sector, and be responsible with tax payer dollars. I'm not sure why you don't get that. Do you seriously feel the way the government calculates their costs is ok? Put down the NDP membership card for one second and think about what your corrupt governemnt does.

All I said is my aircraft is maintained quite well. Why should I not think highly of my aircraft? I take alot of pride in my airplane what is wrong with that?

Anyway this thread is supposed to be about TWA not the government. my appologies for changing the subject.

Pratt Punk · Post by **Pratt Punk** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:12 am

We call ourselves AME's not mechanics. And you have no friends here you clown!

wingtip · Post by **wingtip** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:18 am

Pratt Punk wrote:We call ourselves AME's not mechanics. And you have no friends here you clown!

That is right! Mechanics actually fix things, not guess,order, replace, guess again, order, replace like you AME schlepps!!

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