WASAYA HIRING - from workopolis

your hero · Post by **your hero** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:49 pm

WASAYA AIRWAYS LP
Location: Thundeer Bay, ON
Pilots
Wasaya Airways LP has expanded its fleet once again and now with 21 aircraft we are seeking experienced flight crew to help operate our B1900D's, PC-12's, HS748's and C208B's.
A current IFR is required and Northern experience is an asset, but we will consider all applications including those with high float time.
Along with industry competitive wages, Wasaya Airways offers an attractive benefits package including Travel, Group Pension and Extended Health Care with employer paid premiums.
If you feel this is the opportunity you have been looking for please forward your resume with cover letter to:
Chief Pilot - Wasaya Airways LP
300 Anemki Place, Suite B
Thunder Bay, ON.
P7J 1H9
807.577.0432 (fax)
dmacklin@wasaya.com
http://www.wasaya.com
Only those applicants under consideration will be contacted.

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:55 am

Do they ever hire right seat Hawker or is that usually an internal upgrade?

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:04 am

what hours are they ask'n for?

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:15 am

That's the beauty thing about a company like Wasaya. The fleet is so varied, the time requirements would be all over the place. You can put anybody right seat in the 'van, and if they were looking, they could hire left seat on the Hawker. Have at it! The CP is really a good guy. He tells you "how it is"!

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:15 pm

But wait a second Doc...we have bonds...are you now advocating them. I thought we were all a bunch of whores over here!

For anyone that is interested, it's a great place to work. Yes we have bonds (money up front,) however, the company makes all the payments on top of your pay.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:41 pm

You say you have bonds...then you say "(money up front)"? So, which is it? Money up front is NOT a bond! It's buying a job. And if this is the case, I retract my statement. The only reason pilots are asked to pay "up front" is because some do. DO NOT DO THIS! You don't have to.

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:03 pm

It's still a bond! Show me the definition otherwise.

Companies are in the business of aviating. They're not collection agencies. If people don't like it they won't apply.

If you have the money to put towards it, you will actually make money with Wasaya's arrangement. At the very least, if you get a loan for it, the company makes all the payments in addition to your regular pay, so you aren't out, and it will be good for your credit rating.

If you honour your commitment then you will not be out in the least.

sameasyou · Post by **sameasyou** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:27 pm

I agree it is a great place to work...got all my money and then some back...CP is a good guy..even Doc says so and he usually has nothing good to say about Wasaya..good equipment..good schedule...bond or whatever you wanna call it is only an issue if you leave before it's up...nobody has a gun to anyone's head..if you don't want to pay..don't apply..pretty simple

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:41 pm

Doc's right.

Bond = OK

Money up front = moron.

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:58 pm

Well we'll see how many people are all over this WHEN the industry takes it's next down turn. Remember when companies were asking for 3500 hours TT and 500 MPIC for light piston twins?

I do!

Thankfully, I will never be in that position anymore.

I would suggest to everyone, get while the gettings good.

So far the only people I've seen trashing this thing so vehemently are two guys with probably over 10000 hours a piece.

By the way, I'm not a moron. I'm a safe, conscientious, well compensated pilot.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:28 pm

Who paid through the nose for the opportunity!

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:54 pm

Actually, I didn't pay for anything. Not one single red cent.

There was a loan in my name, but not one single penny came out of my account. Money went in from the company and out from the bank. If I had chosen to break the contract early then I would have assumed the loan payments.

If I had put my own money in, it would have been no different than investing, as I would have gotten it back with interest.

If I had moved to any other company, I would have spent at least $3000.00 in moving expenses alone to move further away from home for less income. Instead, I moved 3 hours down the road for the cost of a tank of gas and my career has progressed by leaps and bounds.

Before I started working for North Star I couldn't get insured to fly a C310. When I left to go to Wasaya I spent just over a year on the PC12 as a captain then went to the left seat of the 1900 with a whopping 250 hours of multi time, and that was before the mass exodus of people to airlines and jet jobs.

And I'm the moron? Give your head a shake, because the positives far outweigh the negatives. It isn't even close.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:54 pm

I'm sure that's the way the guys at JetsGo felt......for a while. The loan was in your name. If the company went south, well, you do the math.
You bought the job. Simple.
You're not alone. Voyageur will hire anybody with a credit rating. As will Bearskin......and still nobody's listening?

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:03 pm

There is no comparison between Jetsgo and Wasaya for more than a million reasons. But as far as the bond goes, the money Wasaya is sitting on is in trust any YOU the pilot is the only one that can screw yourself out of getting it back. The money Jetsgo was sitting on was not held in trust. That is the reason none of the pilots got a cent back when they went tits up.

CP · Post by CP » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:18 am

Sounds like a good move to me. Im with P8 on this one.

And he is definately no moron!

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:18 am

I could quote from the written contract, but to sum it up for you, the only way you get stuck with the bill is if you leave. If they fire you...you get it back. If you get hurt at work and can't work...you get it back. If the company folds...you get it back.

That being said, I predict that we are not going anywhere anytime soon!

Don't worry Doc, I got you on TCAS!

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:55 am

Sure wish I had a TCAS!
Back to my original comments. The CP is a good guy, the equipment is so varied that your total time isn't the issue it is at some companies. Tell them your credit rating sucks.....if they NEED you, maybe there's a way around the loan thing? If you MUST take out a loan, I'd shop elsewhere.

securitas · Post by **securitas** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:15 am

$ held in trust? I don't think so. The cash comes out of either your own pocket or a loan. You're a creditor to the company just like all the other ones.

Airbrake · Post by **Airbrake** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:07 am

Acutally there are other ways you can lose your money. I had the unfortunate lesson learned personaly. I am with Doc on this one. If you are going to sign onto one of these agreements, just do your homework and be comfortable that you understand all about the situation you have signed on for.
With the industry the way it is right now, the situation I ran into will not happen. If it changes though, it is very very possible once again.
While not getting into details about my situation, I will say it had nothing to do with a choice that I had made.

Brakes out

mbav8r · Post by **mbav8r** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:06 am

Cap'nP8 wrote:

and it will be good for your credit rating.

It also goes against your debt service ratio and with good credit or not, with low salaries the banks look at your ratio and in my case and I'm sure with others, would meen the difference of being approved for a new mortgage or not. Myself, I"ll be looking to buy a bigger house this year and the company just got some new equipment requiring up front cost covering. To be fair the bond is for less than the cost of sim.
I've never had a bond for anything and I would be willing to sign, but if it comes down to money up front, I'd have to choose house or bigger plane.
The house keeps the family happy but.....

Unfortunatly the only way a person can get anywhere in this industry is if you're young and mobile and don't have any bills. If not you take what you can get

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:48 am

Yeah, I know all about TDSR, if you can't afford to buy a BIGGER house because of a SMALL loan in your name, then it is your perogative to NOT APPLY at Wasaya, or anywhere else that includes money up front in their training bond.

As far as calling us whores, oh well then have at it, I don't give a shit anymore.

I dare anyone to come to Sioux Lookout and tell me to my face that I bought my job! I have earned every position I have ever gotten. I've busted my ass from one side of the country (and continent) over the last 8 years. While you're at it, after you've finished with me, you can go talk to my wife and tell her we don't deserve everything we've now got, 'cause she's followed me every step of the way!

To anyone who is actually interested in working at Wasaya, I will repeat myself again, it is a great place to work and I would recommend it to anyone.

If you come to Wasaya with the sim requirements already met then you won't even sign a bond. The second bonded position is less and after the second bonded position there is no bond. Also, after three years with the company there are no more bonds.

And to all the haters, don't even try to compare a situation like mine with some 250 hour newbie buying a PPC on a ho. They are completely uninsurable. I didn't skip over anyone by entering a training bond with the company.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:51 pm

Pity. I was in YXL today and missed you. Could have done Latte! But I'd still say that paying money up front is wrong. And if nobody did it, it'd go away. Wasaya LP can afford to train their pilots without milking money out of them! Forget not the fact, that I spent four years there myself. Must have been the pre-bond era? I can't think of any pilot who got a PPC and left inside of a year at Wasaya. Can you name one? So, where's the need for the cash?
Your employer has NO right to affect your TDSR! None. They're your employer.

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:55 pm

I can think of a few who did just that, and I've only been here for just over a year. However, they were all here for more than three years and/or on their third aircraft and hence were not subject to a bond. None were thought badly of by the company, and if they were bonded then they ate whatever was left because the company stopped the loan paymens.

We're all entitled to our positions, and I'm probably not going to change anyone else's so be it. However the challenge was issued at those who would say I haven't paid my dues and would argue that I've somehow skipped somebody!

And while I'm at it, there has been a mass exodus of late, at Wasaya. With the exception of a few for personal reasons, no one has made lateral moves, they have all been to airline or corporate positions. To the best of my knowledge, not one of them has had bad things to say about the company.

log sheet · Post by **log sheet** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:06 am

Hey guys, I'm an engineer working for Wasaya.Is this BOND a one time deal? You have a loan in your name that the company pays ,sounds pretty good to me! Sounds like a small loan? If 5k is stopping you from buying a house your probally not in the position to buy. Espically if you can prove to the bank the you are not making the payments ,your employer is.
We have a similar thing,we need type courses every 3 years which we have to sign a contract. If we want to leave the company within 2 years we have to pay the cost of the course. This appilies to every A/C we maintain. Courses are always staggered so you are pretty much always in a contract. Do I mind? Hell no! Wasaya is an excellent company and they treat their employees well.
Anybody who's ever been in YXL for a period of time(10 years for me) know's that company's may change , people may leave, this town never gets any better, but one thing you can count on is somebody is going to fly north of YXL. As long as you are here(and hopefully not forever!HA!) you'll be flying or fixing and pulling in a decent pay cheque.
I know from experience that security isn't everywhere and when you've got a family to support the security is nice.
P8 your doin alright!

mbav8r · Post by **mbav8r** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:52 am

Log Sheet wrote:

Hey guys, I'm an engineer working for Wasaya.Is this BOND a one time deal? You have a loan in your name that the company pays ,sounds pretty good to me! Sounds like a small loan? If 5k is stopping you from buying a house your probally not in the position to buy.

It's not a question of 5k preventing me from buying a house, first off it's 10k and thats seems to be the standard bond these days, second it's a combination of that and low salaries. You tried to support a family on 45k that requires 2 vehicles and pay off your student loans and then take out a loan for 10k over 2 years, talk about having your hands tied. Then if after a year WJ calls and your going to make about 45k,now you have a loan with a year still oweing and you have to commute,cause who can afford to buy a house in yyc.

Log sheet also wrote:

Espically if you can prove to the bank the you are not making the payments ,your employer is.

Doesn't matter who's makin the payments, ever heard of debt service ratio, with the banks it's cut and dry, DSR above 30 or 40 % no loan, period.

Fact is after a year, hell 6-8 months the company has made their money back for the training cost by having you make a ton of revenue for them off the sweat of your back.
And further more, as an AME, you were paid for most of your training and did not incur 45k in debt to learn your profession. i said most of your training cause 2 months every year you go on U.I.
I hope that answers your question whats the BIG deal