The "Donald" trumps bush

swede · Post by **swede** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:32 am

Even trump has had enough, "it's all a big lie" - truer words were never spoken.. (5th from the bottom of the page, if someone else can paste the copy so it opens off the link - feel free)

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Dow ... p-Bush.wmv

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:39 am

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e44_1174091521

swede · Post by **swede** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:51 pm

Thanks, interesting interview - it's nice to hear someone with some actual credentials finally come out and start cutting through the crap.

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:27 pm

So it finally comes out Swede.

At least your honest.

swede · Post by **swede** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:22 pm

If by totally agreeing with Trump on the catastrophe of the Iraq/bush etc. issues, that makes me a pinko (at least on this forum), so be it. As he states, bush is the worst president - or whatever you want to call him - in US history.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:43 pm

Dex wrote:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e44_1174091521

for the amount of money the u.s spends on their military it's amazing they can't win this one conidering what they are up against

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:45 pm

Dust Devil wrote:
Dex wrote:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e44_1174091521
for the amount of money the u.s spends on their military it's amazing they can't win this one conidering what they are up against

It would appear Haliburton and many other private contractors aren't losing. As a matter of fact they are doing very well with their profits.

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:18 pm

The First American to tell it like it is, Right on Trump!!

Time to step up to the plate Trump in 08

http://www.donaldtrump2008.com/

LostinRotation · Post by **LostinRotation** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:34 am

(Trump speaking on the war in Iraq) " One of the great catastrophes of all time, perhaps even worse, the rest of the world hates us. "

Never like Donald so much....he waited until it was safe to voice his opinion, unlike people like the Dixie Chicks who got publically crucified for their beliefs, but it's better late than never. Washington is a disaster. World opinion of the states is a disaster, but this is what happens when you re-elect a retard.....It still boggles my mind how people looked at this guy, the political climate, the status of the war, the info around the war and said..." lets re-elect him.....he's done a good job "

We knew better...the rest of the world knew better, but instead of being wrong and admitting it....healing the country and moving on they decided to wave their flags even more and shove their head in the sand...again

-=0=LiR=0=-

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:13 am

Don't you think you could say the same thing for Canadians re-electing the Liberals for so many terms?

PS. Our voting system is alot different than yours, and I had a choice of 1. Pres. Bush, or 2. John Kerry.

I think the Republicans have a better field of candidates this time around, and thank goodness the Dems are out to lunch, so yes, another 4 more years for Republicans. You heard it here first.

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:45 am

I agree with the choices for Republicans next time around being better. As for the Dems.....?

At least in the USA, you don't have to do all possible, every time around, to elect a French Canadian Lawyer from Quebec to run the country.

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:10 am

Please enlighten us on which repubilcans you like in 08?

happily.retired · Post by **happily.retired** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:32 am

Comparing the Liberals to George W is more than a little bit out of line.

How many people have the Liberals killed lately?
And Mr. Bush?

JakeYYZ · Post by **JakeYYZ** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:27 pm

I agree with Trump, the U.S. should pull out. The primary objective of the war was U.S. security and regime change, with a secondary objective of bringing Western style democratic representation to Iraq. No question the primary objective was achieved. The U.S. military accomplished in a matter of days, what Iran could not do in 8 years. It was not senseless to go in, if there were reasonable grounds to suspect that Hussein had or was soon to acquire weapons of mass destruction. I’m not troubled by this particular aspect. IMHO, the problems lie in the secondary objective. The occupying forces should have sponsored a democratically minded strongman to secure the country and eventually move it toward an open political system. The basic message to Iraqis should have been: You are adults, here is your country back, good luck and good night.

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:46 pm

Nark wrote:Don't you think you could say the same thing for Canadians re-electing the Liberals for so many terms?

The repeated election of the liberals had a lot to do with the fact that both conservative parties were in a bit of a shambles and were splitting the conservative vote. I don't think the US can say the same.

The Canadian Liberal government made the decision to be peacekeepers in Afgahnistan and not take part in the war in Iraq. I don't think the US can say the same.

Canada, largely remains a nation of peacekeepers. I don't think the US can say the same.

Our Liberal party is...Liberal. I don't think the US Dems can say the same..

So what are the similarities again...??

I have been a conservative voter all my life but the Bush administration, with its poor foreign relations, poor economic policies and poor decision making has done more to disuade me from remaining. What a disgrace to the US and a scar of the face of humanity.

RVR6000 · Post by **RVR6000** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:35 pm

The current economic boom in Canada is great due to the Liberal policies of the 90s.

fogghorn · Post by **fogghorn** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:04 pm

JakeYYZ wrote:I agree with Trump, the U.S. should pull out. The primary objective of the war was U.S. security and regime change, with a secondary objective of bringing Western style democratic representation to Iraq. No question the primary objective was achieved. The U.S. military accomplished in a matter of days, what Iran could not do in 8 years. It was not senseless to go in, if there were reasonable grounds to suspect that Hussein had or was soon to acquire weapons of mass destruction. I’m not troubled by this particular aspect. IMHO, the problems lie in the secondary objective. The occupying forces should have sponsored a democratically minded strongman to secure the country and eventually move it toward an open political system. The basic message to Iraqis should have been: You are adults, here is your country back, good luck and good night.

I agree with your points, to bad pappy didnt do all of this in the first place. I think the secondary objective of Iraq II is war without end.

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:57 pm

The Canadian Liberal government made the decision to be peacekeepers in Afgahnistan and not take part in the war in Iraq. I don't think the US can say the same.

Before I take the time to reply to that, learn Canada’s role in Afghanistan.

How many people have the Liberals killed lately?
And Mr. Bush?

I know of at least one submariner that will never "run silent, run deep," because of a stupid Liberal decision. I guess I we could blame the last few Sea King crashes on Jean Chretiens first decision as PM.
We can play the semantics game all day.

I am not allowed to publicly endorse candidates in an election, and since this is public forum, I will not violate that article which is applies to me under the UCMJ.

Over beers is a different story.

hotspur666 · Post by **hotspur666** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:52 pm

In answer to you all hippie dhimmis & islamo-nazis,
only Dr Laura, who, in response to a wounded soldier's
comments about his family and how they felt about the war,
had this to say:
http://www.drlaura.com/blog/2007/03/12/ ... war-except

Anybody who doesn’t show absolute respect for what we’re trying to do, who’s using Iraq and Afghanistan and all the rest of this simply for political power, are becoming more and more like Al Qaeda and Taliban in their thinking. And that’s what I watch when I see Republicans, sub-Republicans, Democrats, sub-Democrats, all of this fighting - it’s only for elections and power. It isn’t for what is good for the world or for America. I don’t believe that for a minute! I see people saying the most God-awful things strictly for power.

No intelligent, rational, reasonable, decent person is for war. No intelligent, rational, decent person is for war. But if my father and your fathers didn’t go off to fight World War II, I would have been incinerated in a German concentration camp oven. So I’m very grateful to the guys who didn’t believe in war, but fought it to protect the free world from vile evil. And that is exactly what’s going on now. Militant Islam is vile evil. Every day, they’re blowing up their own people for power. It’s inhuman. And you really believe we shouldn’t stop that?

Should we go to Africa when one tribe tries to eliminate another? It’s funny….some of the same Hollywood types who say we should go to Africa and stop one tribe from eliminating another don’t seem to understand what’s going on in the Middle East. But this gentleman who called, my son, your sons and daughters, your fathers, your brothers, your children, are fighting the good fight. Am I for war? Are you nuts? Who in their right mind would be? But the rest of the world doesn’t necessarily show evidence of being in its right mind.

When I hear pain in a soldier who then says he would go back…do you realize this is a volunteer army, and we have guys re-enlisting to go back three, four times? Because they’re over there and they see the danger, and they know that they’re just watching CNN spin or the New York Times spin-they know what’s going down. They’re watching body parts fly all over the place as one Islamic group kills another Islamic group - men, women, and children.

I am ashamed to be also Canadian, I hide my passport from a nation of cowards behind the passport from the brave American nation,
the nation that saved your father's asses from Hitler's slavery....

You can go to hell, you bunch of smelly doped up hippies cretins...
And you're heading right there, like the Swedes, Danes and Norwegians,
where the sharia will take over in a few short years.

Your heroic forefathers are turning in their graves at the spectacle
of their sons turned into sniveling dhimmis(slaves) vomiting the bile of their future muslim masters...

And if you dont consider yourself to be a doped up hippie cretin,
you certainly have been brainwashed well by the Canuck media into
sounding just like one!!!

hotspur666 · Post by **hotspur666** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:13 pm

Historian Geoffrey Best, on Churchill:

"Churchill was right to believe that Hitler and Nazism had to be
fought to the end, no matter what the cost; and the British people did well to
sense that it was better for them and their posterity to follow his lead, even
though the road promised to be hard and rough. The war indeed did not
work out to Britain's material advantage (which was not in fact aimed at or
expected), but Britain remained free, civilized and with a clear collective
conscience."

The Nazis where choirboys next to the sordid muslims...
Germans did not sent their wives and children as suicide
bombers, invade like cancerous growts and
systematically rape the women of their host
to finally, as they have declared they are intending,
to subvert and inslave as they did for the whole middle east.

George Bush will be remembered as the hero who stood
up to the vomits from hell and defended civilisation
despite the appeasers from Canada and Zeropa...

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:39 pm

Hotspur brought up one really good point.

How will Pres. G. W. Bush be remembered in 2009, 2019, 2029 etc...?

And to validate my point, look at how Pres. Truman was remember in 1954, and then how he's remember today.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:44 pm

Well Mr. Hotspur, aren't we a bit full of ourselves. I especially like how you dropped in the little part there which brands anyone who disagrees with you as brainwashed etc, etc. You learned well from your admininstration and their bullying tactics (which, by the way, were gleened from Mien Kampf, yeah, Hitler's book.) See Hitler wrote all about how to control a population through propaganda and the control of information. Seems Bushco read it. I suggest you do too, it'll knock your socks off to learn just who prescribed the instrument of your idiocy.

Fathers saving asses? You do of course know that when America entered the WWII to 'save the rest of the world from Nazi rule', Canada, Brittain, and a host of other nations had already been fighting (and dying) for over 2 years. In fact, Canada suffered far greater then the United States did in Europe. Perhaps you should read a history book instead of the Fox News version of how America fought the whole war and no one else did anything. I know, it's scarry, but trust me, books don't bite. (despite what you may think)

The Nazis where choirboys next to the sordid muslims...
Germans did not sent their wives and children as suicide
bombers, invade like cancerous growts and
systematically rape the women of their host
to finally, as they have declared they are intending,
to subvert and inslave as they did for the whole middle east.

George Bush will be remembered as the hero who stood
up to the vomits from hell and defended civilisation
despite the appeasers from Canada and Zeropa...

I'm sorry, are you a member of some neo-nazi/white supremisist group? You do realise that this is a Canadian web-site and, as such, spreading hateful messages is contrary to the law, don't you? You clearly have no understanding of history, world events, or how civil societies work. It's halarious to draw parallels between your ranting about Muslims and the Nazi propaganda about Jews in the 30s. Yeah, you're acting like a Nazi (I know, you don't believe it, you're going to call me names and dismiss it out of hand, not even consider what I say, but I figured I'd point it out anyway.)

To fininsh up, Hotspunky-closet-bound-angry-at-the-world-man, you're a racist and don't seem to realise it. You're hiding behind flag-waving and regurgitating the nonsense propaganda you're fed everyday. Truly, you do not understand what you speak of. It's illegal to spread hate in Canada. Stop it.

happily.retired · Post by **happily.retired** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:25 pm

Hotspurr,

I don't agree with a word you've written, but that aside if you are trying to convince people of anything you need to provide accurate information in a non-combative, intelligent and respectful manner.

That means first and foremost ensuring you know what you're talking about. Actually read some history, not propaganda. Also keep in mind that just because people don't subscribe to your way of thinking/living/worshiping/loving does not mean that they need to be saved by you and yours. You refer to saving the World from Hitler (which the Yanks were a bit behind the ball on) and yet you spew forth your desire to assimilate the whole world into american thinking which would require massive genocide in order to be successful. So where do you get off thinking you would be any better than Hiltler if you were smart enough to come into power. He was at least intelligent, educated and persuasive. You are just an angry little man (damn I hope no woman could think like you) who spews hate at the world because it's too hard to admit that for whatever reason you hate your Mommy. Let me guess she didn't tell you often enough how Godlike you are?

Take that up with her and get off our forum.

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:01 am

Just to clarify
Hotspur...someone who is impulsive. [From the old English.]
666 sign of the Devil. So Hotspur666 = Impulsive Devil

wingtip · Post by **wingtip** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:26 am

While we are at it; Narcissist

Is your partner a narcissist? You may not know how to tell, but even worse, you may be thinking that you are the crazy one. Narcissists work hard to distort our reality to make their reality feel safer.

So what is a narcissist? Someone who preens in front of the mirror all day in admiration? NOT! Ask yourself this: is your partner intensely angered by anything that seems to suggest that he or she might have a flaw? Narcissists will do anything, including brutalizing their own family, to maintain their own feeling that others see them as without any flaws. And, narcissists have extreme and illogical sensitivities, sometimes connecting the most minute observations with their intense fears of being seen as flawed. Narcissists will strain every muscle to meet their own "flawless" image, and demean or destroy anyone or anything who casts any doubt on this image. If you see this dynamic in your partner, family member, coworker, or friend, you are very probably dealing with a narcissist.