Jazz RJ gear collapse in YYZ?

sanjet · Post by **sanjet** » Sun May 20, 2007 1:37 pm

Got an email from a collegue. He heard a Jazz CRJ landing gear collapsed on landing in YYZ? Not confirmed.. can anyone find out? I'm not in YYZ!

CD · Post by CD » Sun May 20, 2007 1:46 pm

Attention News Editors:

Air Canada Jazz Confirms Incident

HALIFAX, May 20 /CNW/ - Air Canada Jazz confirms that an incident involving a CRJ100 occurred today at Toronto Pearson Airport.

Air Canada Jazz flight AC8911 arrived from Moncton carrying 37 passengers and 3 crew members. After landing, while moving from the active runway onto the taxiway, the main landing gear buckled. Passengers and crew were not injured and subsequently were released following medical examination.

Air Canada Jazz is cooperating with investigating authorities. No further information is available while the incident is under investigation.

sanjet · Post by **sanjet** » Sun May 20, 2007 1:47 pm

Thanks, glad everyone's ok.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:22 pm

Also glad to hear everyone is ok.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:36 pm

Glad everyones alright... looks like the main gear from the photo.

Any RJ pilots care to comment if theres anything that could have caused this other than mechanical failure?

bose · Post by **bose** » Sun May 20, 2007 4:09 pm

anything that could have caused this other than mechanical failure?

maybe seneca grad was flying?

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sun May 20, 2007 4:10 pm

invertedattitude wrote:Glad everyones alright... looks like the main gear from the photo.

Any RJ pilots care to comment if theres anything that could have caused this other than mechanical failure?

Just a guess, but you pretty well sumed it up. IMHO.

bandit1 · Post by **bandit1** » Sun May 20, 2007 5:22 pm

could the gear handle been accidently moved to UP and the swat switch disengaged while hitting a bump in the taxiway?

CD · Post by CD » Sun May 20, 2007 5:38 pm

Photos posted on Airliners.net:

Photo 1
Photo 2

Troubleshot · Post by **Troubleshot** » Sun May 20, 2007 6:07 pm

Not sure how the gear on the RJ locks but if it like most larger jets they use "Down and Lock " actuators which can be the Achilles heal of the whole set up. If these actuators do not have sufficient hydraulic pressure they can allow various links in the gear to break-over, or un-lock, causing the gear to fold up...especially when turning as the side load pushes and pulls on these links. If they were taxing on one engine maybe they didn’t have correct system pressure to the gear.

These are just some thoughts and by no means factual. More than likely some sort of uncontrollable system failure. Glad no one was hurt

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Mon May 21, 2007 3:35 am

Better that it happened while taxiing than on landing. THAT could have been ugly.

Glad everyone's OK.

-istp

N2 · Post by N2 » Mon May 21, 2007 4:00 am

I heard that Rita McNeil was sitting on that side!

longjon · Post by **longjon** » Mon May 21, 2007 8:15 am

The CBC news stated the gear collapsed " on final" ya gotta love these news discriptions of aviation events.

Now thats a good topic for a new post.

Jeremy Kent · Post by **Jeremy Kent** » Mon May 21, 2007 5:41 pm

longjon wrote:...ya gotta love these news discriptions of aviation events.

Yeah... they probably hit an air pocket or something...

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Tue May 22, 2007 2:18 pm

Jeremy Kent wrote: Yeah... they probably hit an air pocket or something...

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:48 pm

No mention of a "terror plunge" at least!

fogghorn · Post by **fogghorn** » Tue May 22, 2007 7:05 pm

yeah, Rita Macneil took a lunge for the overhead bin after the xwind ldg that went bad, that was all she wrote.

Elliot Moose · Post by **Elliot Moose** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:52 am

Hard landing.

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Tue May 29, 2007 7:14 am

Rita McNeil rhymes with Eat a Big Meal.

Coincidence?

Hiflyer2 · Post by **Hiflyer2** » Tue May 29, 2007 8:07 am

I have a Powerpoint Presentation with all the photos of the damage done up by some Jazz engineers. If anyone would like to see it PM me your email address. It is interesting and well put together.

BusDriver · Post by **BusDriver** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:42 pm

It looks more like a controlled crash rather than a hard landing! The main gear is ripped right out of the wing. It would take a helluva hit to rip the gear trunnions out of the wings. I am sure the flight crew are the only one's that know what really happened.

CD · Post by CD » Wed May 30, 2007 1:55 pm

This was the only article in the news from the passengers perspective that I saw...

Air Canada passenger upset over carry-on stress

Last Updated: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 | 9:30 AM AT
CBC News

Passengers aboard an Air Canada Jazz flight from Moncton to Toronto got a rocky welcome at Pearson International Airport on the weekend, but at least one passenger is feeling uneasy about what happened after they got off the plane.

The 37 passengers and three crew members were not injured after the main landing gear collapsed Sunday, but Sandy Kemsley says the real stress came later, as passengers waited for hours to get the carry-on belongings they left behind as they were evacuated from the aircraft.

"I would have been a lot more comfortable if I had been able to get even just my handbag that had my identification, my wallet and that sort of thing in it right away as it was, since I was kind of stressed for the whole three or four hours we were waiting," said Kemsley, a Toronto woman who had been visiting family in the Maritimes.

"I had no idea. Was it being secure, and how was I going to get it back, and what if I didn't get it back? That sort of thing."

Airline staff had asked the passengers to leave all their belongings on the plane.

Kemsley said she was angry to see that, hours later, her belongings were placed in the arrivals area, where there was no security nearby.

"They brought our carry-on things out in big plastic bags and started putting them out on a cart. And I saw my purse, and said, 'That's my purse,' and grabbed it. And anyone could have done the same thing."

The main landing gear on the 50-seat regional jet collapsed shortly after the plane landed on the Pearson runway. Passengers say the plane touched down once, bounced and landed again, making a loud, banging noise. Kemsley said she just thought a tire had blown.

Air Canada has apologized to its passengers for the delay in returning their belongings, but is releasing few details, other than saying the Transportation Safety Board is investigating the incident.

CBC article...

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:20 pm

Unbelievable that someone would be going to the press with such a petty concern. Obviously she doesn't see the big picture of an evacuation preventing her and all her lip balm in her carry on from going up in flames. I am sure it is just a matter of time before we start hearing from the post-traumatic lawsuits that the ambulance chasing lawyers will launch.

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:32 pm

I am not sure she went to the press or the press found her while digging for the scoop. Either way, she has a legitimate complaint. Not that the items were to be left behind during the evacuation, but the lack of security in returning the items to those affected.

It is not in how you fk up but how you recover. Apparently, the recovery is what she is complaining about.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:15 pm

According to a friend at TC, it was a hard landing that smashed the gear through/off the wing. The cause is yet to be determined, as is the validity of a rumour that the pilots actually powered up and taxied it clear of the rwy and onto a high speed.