Manitoba chiefs want cellphone revenue

Snowgoose · Post by **Snowgoose** » Wed May 30, 2007 11:35 am

Good luck with that guys

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/0 ... phone.html

Manitoba First Nations are seeking compensation from Manitoba Telecom Services for every cellphone signal that passes through First Nations land, saying the airspace should be considered a resource like land and water.

At a recent economic development summit, the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs resolved to negotiate revenue sharing with MTS for transmissions signals that cross the land, water and air space of their reserves and traditional territories.

"[The request is] based on the understanding that we do have some fundamental rights as indigenous people to land, water and airspace," said Chief Ovide Mercredi of the Grand Rapids First Nation.

"When it comes to using airspace, it's like using our water and simply because there's no precedent doesn't mean that it's not the right thing to do," he said.

Mercredi says that signals over a significant area of the province would be affected, noting that the Cree Nations claim rights to a large portion of the north.

Proposal may inspire more negotiations

Anna Hunter, a University of Saskatchewan professor of political studies specializing in aboriginal governance, says the AMC's request is unique but she says other First Nations groups across the country will likely follow suit.

"On a provincewide basis, this is definitely an innovative approach but I think it's an approach that other provinces' First Nations groups will probably take forward," she said.

MTS officials have declined to comment on the issue until they see the group's proposal.

Goose757 · Post by **Goose757** » Wed May 30, 2007 11:50 am

What a joke.

200hr Wonder · Post by **200hr Wonder** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:10 pm

Last I checked it did not

A. Detract from the airspace, like say a building would on land.
B. Cause any pollution or harm (That is scientifically proven).
C. Prevent the first nations from using there airspace in anyway shape or form for anything traditional. There smoke signals still go through the air the same cell signal or no.

So sure we will pay you just and specific compensation, of which I find the value to be exactly $0.00

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:29 pm

don't the first nations also want Winnipeg handed over? Nothing like being realistic.

Goose757 · Post by **Goose757** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:34 pm

200hr Wonder wrote:Last I checked it did not

A. Detract from the airspace, like say a building would on land.
B. Cause any pollution or harm (That is scientifically proven).
C. Prevent the first nations from using there airspace in anyway shape or form for anything traditional. There smoke signals still go through the air the same cell signal or no.

So sure we will pay you just and specific compensation, of which I find the value to be exactly $0.00

LMFAO

goates · Post by **goates** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:05 pm

So are they going to try to make NASA pay every time the ISS passes overhead too?

JakeYYZ · Post by **JakeYYZ** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:22 pm

I assume they can speed up negotiations by erecting electromagnetic barricades.

I propose cutting off all resource supplies running from whitey’s land to native land. Let them provide their own cellular network, power supply, water treatment facilities, etc. That way there will be no encroachment by us losers who keep footing the bill and taking it in the ass.

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:52 pm

//edit by Sully

Overt racism ain't cool.

Meecka · Post by **Meecka** » Wed May 30, 2007 6:14 pm

what the hell is next... charging all the airlines a fee because they fly over their land?

Good God! The money grubbing is just getting out of hand. I suppose our spineless government will go for it though

Wigwam Willie · Post by **Wigwam Willie** » Wed May 30, 2007 6:35 pm

Meecka wrote:what the hell is next... charging all the airlines a fee because they fly over their land?

Dats a pretty good idea.

CID · Post by **CID** » Wed May 30, 2007 7:52 pm

We should charge Ovide Mercredi for filling our airspace with bullshit.

LostinRotation · Post by **LostinRotation** » Wed May 30, 2007 8:04 pm

Hey my great great great grandfather got a raw deal from John Deere...I think they should feed me, house me, school me and pay me...I should also get a free tractor every year. Also, because his tractor was green I want a dollar everytime they paint a tractor green...oh and it had tires tooo soo.....

Get real, this has to end....soon. This country could be in far better shape if it wasn't for the wasted billions every year.

When will it ever end ?!

-=0=LiR=0=-

bandit1 · Post by **bandit1** » Wed May 30, 2007 8:06 pm

What's next a toll booth on all the reserves to charge the white guys every time they drive by.

As my Dad said to me one day, GET A JOB AND QUIT MOOCHING!!!

2R · Post by 2R » Wed May 30, 2007 8:44 pm

This must be a joke .What next suing the Marconi company ??

What next when the Japanese set up their moon base will they have to pay the ghostdancers for the use of the moon ???

Honouring treaties is a right and just thing to do .Providing unlimited funding for lawyers to sue every other Canadian trying to do business is the worst kind of non-productive use of resources .

sameasyou · Post by **sameasyou** » Wed May 30, 2007 9:44 pm

First of all, I am aboriginal and a taxpayer( contrary to popular belief) and even I agree this is a little far-fetched. Yes, there is several billion dollars a year spent but i can guarantee you that most of it ends back up in non-native hands. What nobody mentions is most of these billions are eaten up in bureaucracy before it ever trickles down to the people who actually need it. The fact is that INAC ( Indian Affairs) is still staffed by 90% non-native people so plenty of this cash ends up not reaching native people. Having said that we as native people also have to step up to the plate and use the resources that we do have to move forward and educate ourselves to aid in making our lives better and for our future generations. I do agree that many dollars are wasted by corrupt leaders on both sides and believe me when I say that it is frustating for me as well as everyone else. All I can do is work and be a role model for my four kids ( a teacher, a law student, and two still in high school). Being native has worked against me in this industry many more times that it has helped me. I say my thanks to the people who saw through the outer layer and gave me an opportunity to succeed because of my ability and not my skin color. It is comments that I see and read from time to time on this forum that basically speak of what I have had to tolerate throughout my life. Please do not judge a man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Wed May 30, 2007 10:00 pm

sameasyou wrote:First of all, I am aboriginal and a taxpayer( contrary to popular belief) and even I agree this is a little far-fetched. Yes, there is several billion dollars a year spent but i can guarantee you that most of it ends back up in non-native hands. What nobody mentions is most of these billions are eaten up in bureaucracy before it ever trickles down to the people who actually need it. The fact is that INAC ( Indian Affairs) is still staffed by 90% non-native people so plenty of this cash ends up not reaching native people. Having said that we as native people also have to step up to the plate and use the resources that we do have to move forward and educate ourselves to aid in making our lives better and for our future generations. I do agree that many dollars are wasted by corrupt leaders on both sides and believe me when I say that it is frustating for me as well as everyone else. All I can do is work and be a role model for my four kids ( a teacher, a law student, and two still in high school). Being native has worked against me in this industry many more times that it has helped me. I say my thanks to the people who saw through the outer layer and gave me an opportunity to succeed because of my ability and not my skin color. It is comments that I see and read from time to time on this forum that basically speak of what I have had to tolerate throughout my life. Please do not judge a man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins.

Agreed.

What people need to realize that the social programs that currently exist are a complete failure. Social programs period will not solve the poverty on reserves. What they need is economic development not social development.

the_professor · Post by **the_professor** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:04 am

Goose757 wrote:
200hr Wonder wrote:Last I checked it did not

A. Detract from the airspace, like say a building would on land.
B. Cause any pollution or harm (That is scientifically proven).
C. Prevent the first nations from using there airspace in anyway shape or form for anything traditional. There smoke signals still go through the air the same cell signal or no.

So sure we will pay you just and specific compensation, of which I find the value to be exactly $0.00
LMFAO

Also LMFAO. That was great.

Leave it to some of these guys to try and extract whatever funds are possible without it requiring any work or discipline from their own people.

goates · Post by **goates** » Thu May 31, 2007 8:22 am

Dust Devil wrote:
sameasyou wrote:First of all, I am aboriginal and a taxpayer( contrary to popular belief) and even I agree this is a little far-fetched. Yes, there is several billion dollars a year spent but i can guarantee you that most of it ends back up in non-native hands. What nobody mentions is most of these billions are eaten up in bureaucracy before it ever trickles down to the people who actually need it. The fact is that INAC ( Indian Affairs) is still staffed by 90% non-native people so plenty of this cash ends up not reaching native people. Having said that we as native people also have to step up to the plate and use the resources that we do have to move forward and educate ourselves to aid in making our lives better and for our future generations. I do agree that many dollars are wasted by corrupt leaders on both sides and believe me when I say that it is frustating for me as well as everyone else. All I can do is work and be a role model for my four kids ( a teacher, a law student, and two still in high school). Being native has worked against me in this industry many more times that it has helped me. I say my thanks to the people who saw through the outer layer and gave me an opportunity to succeed because of my ability and not my skin color. It is comments that I see and read from time to time on this forum that basically speak of what I have had to tolerate throughout my life. Please do not judge a man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins.
Agreed.

What people need to realize that the social programs that currently exist are a complete failure. Social programs period will not solve the poverty on reserves. What they need is economic development not social development.

Agreed here too. Now if we can just find a government that is willing to do it...

RatherBeFlyingInCanada · Thu May 31, 2007 8:26 am

sameasyou wrote:First of all, I am aboriginal and a taxpayer( contrary to popular belief) and even I agree this is a little far-fetched. Yes, there is several billion dollars a year spent but i can guarantee you that most of it ends back up in non-native hands. What nobody mentions is most of these billions are eaten up in bureaucracy before it ever trickles down to the people who actually need it. The fact is that INAC ( Indian Affairs) is still staffed by 90% non-native people so plenty of this cash ends up not reaching native people. Having said that we as native people also have to step up to the plate and use the resources that we do have to move forward and educate ourselves to aid in making our lives better and for our future generations. I do agree that many dollars are wasted by corrupt leaders on both sides and believe me when I say that it is frustating for me as well as everyone else. All I can do is work and be a role model for my four kids ( a teacher, a law student, and two still in high school). Being native has worked against me in this industry many more times that it has helped me. I say my thanks to the people who saw through the outer layer and gave me an opportunity to succeed because of my ability and not my skin color. It is comments that I see and read from time to time on this forum that basically speak of what I have had to tolerate throughout my life. Please do not judge a man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins.

Well put.

2R · Post by 2R » Thu May 31, 2007 10:01 am

When any indidual identifies themselves by their race religion or particular activity.They tend to view the rest of the world by race religion and particular activities.
It is futile to try and discuss or debate any politics with such an individual if your point of view does not agree with theirs .Your opinions will be dismissed as racist or bigoted .No value to your education and life experiences that may have shaped your opinion will be given .No Value at all.Their minds and ways have already been set.
But you cannot expect privilage based on your race religion or particular personal activities without some price to be paid .Who pays that price is what the media sometimes will discuss to stir the emotions and sell papers.

Can you imagine the outcry if people of a certain ethnic group were given a tatoo so they could be identified ???Can you imagine the outcry if certain peoples of certain religions were forced to wear a label so they could be identified??? Or if people engaging in particular practices were forced to wear labels to identify themselves ???
And yet some hold cards up to show that they are not like us and want privilage based on their race religion and particular practice .Privilage that seperates and divides the Country .

Divide and rule ???was that not how the Romans managed to keep their empire ???Small wonder that the government welcomes such racists at the table .Mental mouthpiece's that spit hate quietly amongst they own people and smile as they threaten the rest of us .Small wonder that the government welcomes them as they do the dirty work for the government of seperating the peoples to allow easier governance .As the big bad tax grabbing government gets to play the nice guy by given away one groups money ,wasting the rest and the mouthpieces get the blame for all our woes.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu May 31, 2007 10:29 am

When will this country stop being "Animal Farm"?

mcrit · Post by **mcrit** » Thu May 31, 2007 11:05 am

When will this country stop being "Animal Farm"?

Someday.... I hope..... maybe..... but first we have to toss the rest of Pierre Trudeau's sons under another snow slide....... just to be safe..... (I already know I'm going to hell when I die, it's just a question of which circle)

2R · Post by 2R » Thu May 31, 2007 11:55 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhHP3hP_0Pg

Wakey wakey

oldncold · Post by **oldncold** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:35 pm

the more natives leaders try to isolate themselves and more importantly their people from progress of the modern world by claiming we are special the more harm they continue to do to those people.

if they want to go back to the 1800,s by all means do. on the way out of your heated home please leave the keys to your snow machine and your pickup truck behind. as you walk out into to the bush by the airport
would you also be kind enough to stop by the local law enforcement office to leave your firearms, as us wasp's get nervous with those around airports and expensive aluminium.

oh by the way the new parka that you had ordered from the catalogue
for delivery next week unfortuantely won't be arriving on time.
it has to be brought by dog team and since those skills have not been
used on a regular basis last we heard they took a detour at heckla island and have not been seen in a week or so.

oh since the first nations are funded by all canadians including the grand chiefs . would they please leave all the cash for attending the
multitude of meeting s and hotels bar bills and the like plus their salaries in the armoured truck so that t can be returned to its righfull
owner just like your land .. please I'll even donate my airtime on the cell

IT IS time for the wasp and newly arrived canadians to say enough

... · Post by **...** » Thu May 31, 2007 3:18 pm

History is the version of past events that men have decided to agree upon. -Napoleon Bonaparte

History is written by the victor of wars...these people have a greater history than we will ever have.

Kindly tread lightly should anyone on here 'accidently' walk the fine line on any potential negative racial innuendos toward the aboriginals of this country...or any minority group for that matter.

Not saying anyone has yet. Thanks for your attention

IABD

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