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Post by SAF1 »

I've heard nothing but good things about Wasaya...for someone willing to pay dues on the ramp. Despite the time it takes to get on a multi, what's the general consensus?
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Perhaps sometimes silence speaks louder than words. Also, with the industry the way it is right now, theres no reason to spend a year working the ramp (especially in a place like like Pickle Lake) in hopes to get RIGHT SEAT on a CARAVAN. I'd say keep looking.
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Ditto.
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In today's employment "climate" a Caravan right seat isn't much of a "carrot"! I'd keep shopping.
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I have to agree with DOC "gulp"

I just had a shiver down my spine


don't sit in a caravan right seat
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Post by TopperHarley »

If you have no other offers, take it. Wasaya is a good company with a good reputation. While you're working the ramp, feel free to apply to other companies for a flying position. If you get an offer, great. If not, you're still at a good company with good advancement opportunities.
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Post by Dave T »

Should someone mention the bond where you pay money up front? I think in this job climate that can be avoided.

I know they've been around for a long time but I'm still not willing to risk my own money should something happen.
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Post by No Brakes »

Do some pilots over there still only use the actual checklists on ppc rides or am I misinformed?
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Capt. Cool wrote:Perhaps sometimes silence speaks louder than words. Also, with the industry the way it is right now, theres no reason to spend a year working the ramp (especially in a place like like Pickle Lake) in hopes to get RIGHT SEAT on a CARAVAN. I'd say keep looking.
Where do you monkeys get your information?? The last couple ground guys to start will have been trainned up in 3 months or less.

WTF is wrong with right seat on the Caravan?? It's 6 months of your life at most?? A good learning experience at that. Than you move on. Is some shitty clapped out Navajo piston piece of shit better?? Give your head a shake.

Do us all one, and shut the f$ck up already,

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I would rather fly a navajo then a caravan. :wink:
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Post by ever »

for the right company of course. A caravan right seat at a company with only caravans? then maybe, I'd turn it down.
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Unless your hours are minimal, why the hell would you ride right seat in a 208????? You cant log those hours as cojo time since its a single pilot certified, and you cant log dual time when flying revenue legs.....
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Post by Chaffey »

Look for something. With a Multi IFR.. find a job with flying right away.
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Post by confuzed »

185/310 wrote:I would rather fly a navajo then a caravan. :wink:
Why?!? After having flown both, I much prefer the caravan over the navajo any day....but to each their own I guess.













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Post by TopperHarley »

A 250hr pilot would have to be mentally retarded to turn down a job offer on a caravan, even if it is right seat! At Wasaya, you will also progress to left seat quickly, and they have PC12 and 1900. My friend is about to go through 1900 training after less than 2 months on the PC12!

With the bare mins (250 hrs), nobody owes you a job. You have to earn it, some way or another. If you have experience, then dont waste your time on the ramp. If you dont, then dont be shy about getting your hands dirty. If the thought of working the ramp makes you cringe, then instruct or find some other to gain experience without buying your way to the top. That's just my opinion though.

Sooner or later this industry is going to slow down. Just try to make sure you're at a good company, somwhere where you don't mind spending the next few years waiting for things to improve.
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If you have 200 hours and can find a bigger airplane or a faster path to a seat in one great...if not then it aint so bad a deal.

You don't spend a year on the ramp and then start flying, you start on the ramp and then a short time later while still working the ramp you also fly right seat part time on the Van. You can log the time in the right seat and it will count towards a higher licence (feel free to jump in and snicker at any time here about right seat in a single, but they'll probably beat a lot of people to left seat single turbine or right seat >12500 lb multi-turbine) because it is required by our COM to fly two crew with revenue passengers.

The next jump is to right seat pilatus. For people coming direct entry they want around a 1000 hours. On the present ground school for the 1900, no one was on the PC12 for more than 6 months and a couple were only on it for about 2-3 months.

C-HRIS, pretty good post on your part I would say. Just to clarify though, we have 9 PC12, and 4 B1900D.
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Just get dem thinly sliced bags of potatoey heaven up NORT as quickly as your white paws can operate, okay?
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Post by xsbank »

Don't work the ramp unless they promise a check-out - if you are not in an airplane in a week, they don't want a pilot they want a rampie.

Don't waste your life on the ramp.

Those of you who did work the ramp, did so in hard times. Times are good now, hire a lunch-bucket to work the ramp and make the pilots fly.

If you feel bitter and try to bullsh*t us with how its the only way to 'test' a newbie, a week in the airplane will show that, the rest is bullsh*t and sour grapes and you know it.

Dispatchers and rampies are in short supply, they always are, but now, SO ARE PILOTS.
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twotterflogger wrote:Unless your hours are minimal, why the hell would you ride right seat in a 208????? You cant log those hours as cojo time since its a single pilot certified, and you cant log dual time when flying revenue legs.....
Ignorance is bliss I guess. You can indeed log the time if it's in the COM, which it is for wasaya. You will receive a ground school and PCC training which is not done on revenue legs. King air 200's are single pilot certified, do you believe the time acquired on them is unloggable too? A little bit of research before blabbing off about something you clearly know nothing about next time maybe?
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endless wrote:
Ignorance is bliss I guess. You can indeed log the time if it's in the COM, which it is for wasaya. You will receive a ground school and PCC training which is not done on revenue legs. King air 200's are single pilot certified, do you believe the time acquired on them is unloggable too? A little bit of research before blabbing off about something you clearly know nothing about next time maybe?
With all due respects, you misunderstood my point.
Other than doing a lets say 100 hour cojo gig on the van before getting full command is a joke. Unless your just starting out with a fresh cpl, why the hell would anyone want to fly p2 on the van? King Air... ok slightly different wouldn't you say?
Having a copilot on a 208 is like having one in a 172!...... common, give me a break.

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Having a copilot on a 208 is like having one in a 172!......
Yeah right! When you are shooting an approach at a remote airport on a dark and dirty night after a 14 hr duty day and maybe a long work week there is nothing comparable to a 172. Why waste the time with having FO's in the twotter then? The Caravan is faster, certified for IFR, Icing and flight in ar4eas with forecasted CB,s just like the twotter!
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Rubberbiscuit wrote: Yeah right! When you are shooting an approach at a remote airport on a dark and dirty night after a 14 hr duty day and maybe a long work week there is nothing comparable to a 172. Why waste the time with having FO's in the twotter then? The Caravan is faster, certified for IFR, Icing and flight in ar4eas with forecasted CB,s just like the twotter!
And having a young inexpirienced FO will help you how?
Why would you have an FO in a -6??? Thats a very good question since my current FO knows absolutly nothing, and is absolutly useless. (I hope to change that with time, but honnestly as it is, it only adds to my workload!)
Now I must ask, do you make sweet, sweet love to your 208? Because it sure sounds like it! :lol:
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Post by Cap'n P8 »

Look Twotter, it's a means to an end. That's the progression people go through here. They aren't even on the thing that long. And you know what it works well for Wasaya. Our junior guys get some experience on a nice machine, and it really preps them well for the jump to the PC12, which in turn really preps them well for the B1900.

But hey flame away.
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Cap'n P8 wrote:But hey flame away.
No flaming intended, sorry if anyone took offence to my previous posts, it certainly was not my intention.
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