Pilot's Licenses

Stinky Cockpit · Post by **Stinky Cockpit** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:46 pm

Has anybody noticed that our Canadian licenses look like they were spawned from a cereal box? Just a little hokey? I just got my boat operators card and it looks better. I think that we need better licences with our picture on it. Mind you nobody ever seems to look at them unless you are at a ride...Just a thought...

LT · Post by LT » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:53 pm

Sorry, can't agree with you.

If they implemented a "nice" card/license like one of the newer health cards/drivers licenses/fishing license. We'd be crying..

Lets see, staff to train on how to take a picture, staff to take pictures, equipment(which is tendered out at a high cost), plastic cards(again tendered out to some liberal's brother's corp at a high cost)

You're looking at a $1000 for a license..

I'll pass and stick with my craptacular paper cutout..

I already enjoy paying $50 for AIP inserts

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:24 pm

Stinky Cockpit wrote:Mind you nobody ever seems to look at them unless you are at a ride.

You said it best...Why have a fancy card when nobody needs to see it?

tripleseven · Post by **tripleseven** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:40 am

So that when the bouncers ask to see your id, they can say "cool, you are a pilot!"

Gag.

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:29 am

I'm sure it will happen, someday . . .

In the meantime, more worthwhile devoting attention to the appearance of the resume.

confuzed · Post by **confuzed** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:03 am

If they implemented a "nice" card/license like one of the newer health cards/drivers licenses/fishing license. We'd be crying..

Lets see, staff to train on how to take a picture, staff to take pictures, equipment(which is tendered out at a high cost), plastic cards(again tendered out to some liberal's brother's corp at a high cost)

You're looking at a $1000 for a license..

I'll pass and stick with my craptacular paper cutout..

I already enjoy paying $50 for AIP inserts

How do you figure it would cost a whole lot....I mean, you just go to Walmart (or anyplace really that does them) to get a passport photo, so what's the difference? I'm sure that they could imprint it on a card.

... · Post by **...** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:09 am

I like them just the way they are thank you very much.

I fold it over to hang out of the back pockey of my jeans when I go to a bar. It really looks cool when I lean over the bar to order my favorite wine coolers. If I feel I'm getting the attention I deserve, I step up on that foot step and really lean over the bar so everyone can see I am a pilot.

And if that don't work...I borrow a 'grey' shirt from an already exisiting company

with the bars already on it, and hang out around the womens washroom entrance. Using lines like...

"Hey!! I think you dropped something......MY JAW!!!"

LT · Post by LT » Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:26 am

confuzed wrote: How do you figure it would cost a whole lot....I mean, you just go to Walmart (or anyplace really that does them) to get a passport photo, so what's the difference? I'm sure that they could imprint it on a card.

It cost 2 billion dollars to register several thousand guns.... And you ask me how I figure?

I like them just the way they are thank you very much.

Correct. =)

If it ain't broke don't fix it...

confuzed · Post by **confuzed** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:37 am

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It cost 2 billion dollars to register several thousand guns.... And you ask me how I figure?[end quote]

I'll agree with you there, but that was just trouble waiting to happen anyone could've predicted the outcome of that. I was just responding to the fact that you said it would be too expensive, having to buy equipment and all. When you can get pictures taken elsewhere, it would bring down the costs significantly. I do think that the licences need to be changed, just they don't need to be photo. I used to really hate falling into the lake when flying on floats and getting my licence soaked (the rare day that I had my licence in my pocket instead of in the airplane), and always wished they weren't paper

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:49 am

All the hardware, processes and know-how already exist, even within TC (not to mention several other areas of federal control)... AME licences were exactly like pilot licences not too long ago... now they're all plastic, photo style cards.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:21 am

I just got back from a recurrent checkpilot's school and this subject was raised. A TC inspector claims that the Canadian Pilot's License is the easiest federal document in the world to forge. One pilot related how someone forged a licence and it was not caught till the checkpilot report went in for licencing action. It is quite simple with elementary home computer equipment to make a new licence. New licences are in the works.
LT was wrong, it will not cost $2 billion dollars. It will cost at least $4 billion dollars. What a wonderful world we live in!!!!!

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:30 am

The point is that even though TC theoretically could do it cheaply, they just simply wouldn't. TC would find the most expensive way to put money in some grit backed companie's pocket at our expense. I agree though that our present budge licenses are a little weak.

Stinky Cockpit · Post by **Stinky Cockpit** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:48 am

You know LT I have only been here for one day and I can already tell that you know everything. Thanks Professor.

TTail · Post by **TTail** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:10 pm

Have you guys seen the new licenses they're issuing down here South of the border? I think they're nice, looks pretty much like a fancy drivers license. I'll see if I can find a pic and post it up.

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:13 pm

Gentlemen please. We are talking about a licence (note Canadians never went to war with mother england and therefore spell it with two c's. Stinky Cockpit you will find the proper spelling even on the cheap paper one). Something issued by your representative government giving you permission to pilot an airplane. Think of how quickly aviation would deteriorate without the current level of government oversight and control. Your licence should be your most highly prized and revered possession. And as such should look really phat so that you can show it off to all the less cool people.

Although for those of you who really do not care about getting permission from every third assistant dogcatcher for everything you do, i agree that whether the licence is cheap paper or fancy plastic with picture; thumb print; signature; and serial number, it probably will not matter.

Wasn't Me · Post by **Wasn't Me** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:39 pm

I liked the old ones with different colour strips. How do you recognize a pilot in a bar? -- You don't have to he'll tell you .

Big_Oaf · Post by **Big_Oaf** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:29 am

confuzed wrote: How do you figure it would cost a whole lot....I mean, you just go to Walmart (or anyplace really that does them) to get a passport photo, so what's the difference? I'm sure that they could imprint it on a card.

do you have a passport? I imagine that TC will do the same and charge you $80.00 for the liscence just like the passport office does, even though you already had to pay 5 to 10 for the photo. I'm happy with the way they are. (although they could be made out of better paper, they seem to get worn out pretty quick.) as for the idea of someone forging the document....who cares. The only real place you could use this to your advantage would be at a flying club or the likes.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:15 am

Ahramin,

I consider myself a somewhat decent speller, and have never noticed the 2 c's in licence in Canada. Thanks for the tip!

I tell ya, ya learn something new every day.

As far as paper vs. plastic, I'm for the status quo. Anything else would be redundant and more expensive. IMHO

-istp

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:00 am

A picture on a licence does not have to be complex, nor costly. In most parts of the world, it simply involves including a passport (or smaller) size photo that is somehow attached by the government. Even today when applying for a passport in Canada all of that can be done by mail.

The old US pilot certificates (prior to the current blue/green plastic jobbies) were even easier to forge. Just a B&W photocopier and some hard bond paper. Plenty of them HAVE been forged in the past.

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:12 pm

The US licence doenst even have a picture on it. It has a scene depiciting Kittyhawk with Orval and Wilber.

As far a forging a Canadian licence goes why would one want to, so you can work in tuktuktuk flying a clapped out peice of junk making 5 dollars and hour Id at least try to forge something like money on my computer at least thats pays well.

Crispy3M · Post by **Crispy3M** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:32 pm

Have the new American Licences now dropped the use of the individuals Social Security Number? (I think that is what they were using...)

In any event, I had a buddy in the states complaining the other day about not being able to give out his Licence number as it was also his SS Number.

Just wondering, but not Just Curious...

Crispy

chewsta · Post by **chewsta** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:51 pm

Orville and Wilbur... give the guys a little respect

confuzed · Post by **confuzed** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:09 pm

do you have a passport? I imagine that TC will do the same and charge you $80.00 for the liscence just like the passport office does, even though you already had to pay 5 to 10 for the photo. I'm happy with the way they are. (although they could be made out of better paper, they seem to get worn out pretty quick.) as for the idea of someone forging the document....who cares. The only real place you could use this to your advantage would be at a flying club or the likes.

Actually, I have 2 passports and know how they work. How do you figure TC would charge you $80?? I'm a little unsure how you came to that....all I said was to go get a passport photo and submit it to them for them to put on your licence. That's how you do it when you get a possesion licence, go and get a passport photo send it it and they do the rest. Who cares who forges the documents? Uhh, i'll pretend I didn't read that one as it's too idiotic a thought to even respond to.

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:12 am

Crispy3M wrote:Have the new American Licences now dropped the use of the individuals Social Security Number? (I think that is what they were using...)

In any event, I had a buddy in the states complaining the other day about not being able to give out his Licence number as it was also his SS Number.

Just wondering, but not Just Curious...

Crispy

I am not certain whether they have discontinued this practice for new certificate applications (the US doesn't issue "licences", they are "certificates").

When I got my first US certificates I didn't have a US SSN and so they issued me a shorter, generic number (7 digits versus the 9 digits of a SSN). There was always the option of NOT using your SSN for a certificate number, but I suspect that most people didn't read the fine print on the back of the application form or didn't care. In any case, I applied for a third certificate in the mid-90's after I had received a US SSN, and that third certificate uses my SSN. So now I have 3 different certificates, with 3 different numbers. The FAA has not contacted me to change the number of my certificate with my SSN, and so I think it is the number that I will have for as long as I hold that certificate (for life or until the certificate is revoked or surrendered).

Big_Oaf · Post by **Big_Oaf** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:27 am

confuzed wrote: Actually, I have 2 passports and know how they work. How do you figure TC would charge you $80?? I'm a little unsure how you came to that....all I said was to go get a passport photo and submit it to them for them to put on your licence. That's how you do it when you get a possesion licence, go and get a passport photo send it it and they do the rest. Who cares who forges the documents? Uhh, i'll pretend I didn't read that one as it's too idiotic a thought to even respond to.

well how did you come by your passports then? did someone else pay for you? I went and had mine done about a year ago....picture was $5 at the nearest photo lab, and the proccessing cost $80.00. If I wanted it in less than the two weeks then I could pay another $80.00 and have it the next day. That's where I get the idea from.

By the way...did you realize it is illegal to have more than one passport?

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