I currently hold a CPL and will be flying in New Zealand for the off season. All year round summer . My question ... is my flying in New Zealand all going to count back home in Canada? Particularly when it comes time to ATPL application and insurance with companies?
I was told every pilot holds 3 logbooks. One personal. One for TC. One for insurance. Does this flight time fit under all 3?
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Well, I hope the NZ flying "counts" back home, otherwise I'm sunk.. haha!
No matter what letters are painted on the side, it's still an airplane.
I don't have any of my time from there "certified" either. If anyone has questions, they can pick up a phone and call down there to verify whatever they want. And then if it's a really big hassle, well i'll just make up some stamps, have a few friends sign it. I can't really be bothered with ridiculous admin.
I really don't see this being a problem and I wouldn't worry about it. I know plenty of people that have ventured to far less recognized countries to fly non-Canadian registered aircraft, didn't have a problem. It was all ICAO, it was signed in the book, and they had plenty of contact numbers for the company just in case someone wanted to question it.
Just take lots of pictures so some of us can live vicariously. What equipment will you be on?
Getting things "certified" is a total joke. Like those stamps everyone gets a hard-on for when they're doing cross countries. No, stamps are NOT required by anyone.
Besides, most logbooks have that box "certified correct" on every page.
I'm not a fan of the whole "certified correct" thing either. Mainly because I put glider time towards my commercial, and the owner nearly didn't accept my time because I didn't have an up to date stamp. Nearly had to drive out of town to get the damn thing stamped so I'm "lagit". Luckly I had one early in the logbook and still met the hour requirements.
Funny thing is I called TC and essentially the hours in your logbook upon being submitted are given the go ahead mainly by trust by whome ever signs the bottom of the application. Apparently ATPL is a different story though...
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DHQ wrote:I can't really be bothered with ridiculous admin.
Flying counts even if it's a MIG 29 for the former East Germany, but you should either have it certified by your employer or get a Notary Public to certify it for you (for a fee) if the former is impossible or too difficult.
Not bothering with ridiculous admin works great for someone who already has his dream job, and hasn't run smack into a pencil necked bureaucrat at Transport Canada who won't give you a licence based on your good word only. Plus if a prospective employer feels a little uncomfortable believing your uncertified logbook he might not say anything to you about it directly, but you won't get the job either.
Just get the bloody thing certified for all the effort it takes and then you won't have to worry about it.
So put whatever you want in it, then pay a guy $20 to stamp it?
What does a notary have to do with anything? How is he going to determine that what you have in there is accurate?
As DHQ said, if they don't believe it they can call and verify. Someone who thinks your making stuff up would also think you made up any kind of "certification."
4blue wrote:So put whatever you want in it, then pay a guy $20 to stamp it?
What does a notary have to do with anything? How is he going to determine that what you have in there is accurate?
As DHQ said, if they don't believe it they can call and verify. Someone who thinks your making stuff up would also think you made up any kind of "certification."
First of all, it costs a lot more than $20. Secondly, it doesn't have to make sense, which I fully agree it doesn't. But it carries legal weight that your word does not. I've done it myself and TC accepted it for licencing purposes when giving them scout's honour didn't.
ragbagflyer wrote:"Certify" your own friggin log book. You have a license, you can sign it.
No...you can't. Unless you do it through a Notary Public or other officer of the court making it a sworn statement. Your own signature in your own logbook is meaningless.
If you can, get it certified by a manager at your place of employment or training school, otherwise you will have to pay a Notary or Lawyer.
Why do you think you need your logbook certified? Where in the car's does it mention this, beyond the reqirement for your ptr during initial flight training?
ragbagflyer wrote:Why do you think you need your logbook certified? Where in the car's does it mention this, beyond the reqirement for your ptr during initial flight training?
There is no CAR's requirement to have your logbook certified, however...
1. Flight time required for any licencing or endorsement purpose must be certified or Transport Canada will not accept it, and will not give you the licence or endorsement.
2. If you want someone to hire you as a pilot, they are extremely unlikely to do so if you don't have your flight time certified.
Between my ppl, my cpl and my float rating, never have I had to show a "certified" log book to transport. For any job, never have I had to show a "certified" log to an employer, and for any insurance I have had, both private and commercial, never have I had to show my log book to anybody. Granted I don't have as much experience as many people out there, but I've worked for a couple companies, and have my own policy on a privately registered aircraft. Nobody has looked at my log book since I did my flight training. And even if they did, what difference does having it notarized or certified mean? Is the notary going to dig through the journey logs of the dozens of airplanes I've flown? I don't think so. People make way to big a deal of this issue. And if TC makes an issue out of it when you go for an ATPL, well then get some paper pusher to stamp it, untill then forget about it and just keep on logging as usual.
Yes, your times were certified for your licences and endorsements, but it was your flight training unit that certified it when they filled out your application for endorsement. Now go try and get an ATPL without certifying your 1500 hours. As for the rest of it, you're just lucky I guess. Keep doing what you're doing.
. My question ... is my flying in New Zealand all going to count back home in Canada? Particularly when it comes time to ATPL application and insurance with companies? 
Does this flight time fit under all 3?
