Looking for best place for Float rating??

LeumasR007 · Post by **LeumasR007** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:00 am

From what i can see is
2000$ in BC
1800$ in ont
1400$ in PEI
Any body know any better deals out there? im jsut looking for the 7 hour course. thanks

W5 · Post by W5 » Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:42 am

Is that best "Place" , or best "Price"?

With 'best place' I would understand it to include quality.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:21 am

With 'best place' I would understand it to include quality.

How many training schools can offer quality in sea plane training?

And how is the determination of quality arrived at, by claims from the schools?

W5 · Post by W5 » Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:07 pm

I don't know how many schools there are these days that offer float training; let alone the quality of training.

I have never believed the claims of the schools, regardless of what they were offering.
The only thing I went by when I did mine (35 years ago at Ft. Langley) was reputation and word of mouth.

rm_pic · Post by **rm_pic** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:39 pm

elmhirst vacation air out of Rice Lake

1400

tonnes o fun

gongshowking · Post by **gongshowking** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:33 pm

I did mine at fort langley also, costly and was kinda a joke in what they teach you. You dont really learn much about float flying etc, no docking, no power off. I built time in squamish on a 172 which is a real dog and the water handling blows...good training. The instructor was really good and makes each session a challenge on you. Plus youd have some coastal weather and some ocean swell, some mountain flying mixed in. I would stear clear of 50hr "bush" courses. Find a good place and a good instructor and just do some dual...some solo...and progress that way. If you sign up for some 50hrs theyll have you out there blowing your cash on their timeframe. Also, if you can ride along on some trips with someone who has some time...youll learn a shitload and its all free. Anyway..i could be full of it. Just my two cents yo.

LeumasR007 · Post by **LeumasR007** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:30 pm

rm_pic wrote:elmhirst vacation air out of Rice Lake

1400

tonnes o fun

Where is this located??

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:44 pm

I'm going to the Idaho on Tuesday to order a factory new Husky on Whipline 2100 Amphibs.

I will be giving advanced floatplane training on it when it is delivered in about two and a half months.

Lurch · Post by **Lurch** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:56 pm

Cat Driver wrote:I'm going to the Idaho on Tuesday to order a factory new Husky on Whipline 2100 Amphibs.

I will be giving advanced floatplane training on it when it is delivered in about two and a half months.

So anybody with a basic float rating can show up?

If so Cat what are your Qualifications to teach somebody to fly floats?

P.S. I am guessing Cat that you know that was sarcasim. I would like to know your price. I was hoping you could do the initial but I guess with TC that is just a pipe dream.

Lurch

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:27 pm

Lurch:

So anybody with a basic float rating can show up?

Sort of Lurch, but I am only interested in teaching young people who really want to fly floats for a living.

I know that may sound sort of strange but I would really prefeer to be selective in who I teach so I don't waste my time and theirs.

If so Cat what are your Qualifications to teach somebody to fly floats?

Well acording to Jake Wolk at Transport I am not qualified period.

P.S. I am guessing Cat that you know that was sarcasim. I would like to know your price. I was hoping you could do the initial but I guess with TC that is just a pipe dream.

Actually if I wanted to do float plane ratings through a FTU those coc.suckers at Transport couldn't stop me, but I am not interested in having any contact with them period.

As to price, I have not really come up with a price yet, the airplane is costing us around $230,000 USD with basic radios and instruments and painted white so we can do our own finish when we get it.

I of course will have to be competative price wise, however for each hour you will get a real bang for your buck.

For instance when doing circuits you will average at least thirty circuits per hour of training, both wheels and floats.

My course is called high command control, I was first introduced to that method of training in 1957 in Colorado when I received my first training for aerial application, and it really teaches you how to fly.....hell when I'm finished with you you will be able to handle a X/Wind over five knots so you can look down on a Seneca grad.

Lurch · Post by **Lurch** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:38 pm

Cat Driver wrote:Lurch:

So anybody with a basic float rating can show up?
Sort of Lurch, but I am only interested in teaching young people who really want to fly floats for a living.

I know that may sound sort of strange but I would really prefeer to be selective in who I teach so I don't waste my time and theirs.

If so Cat what are your Qualifications to teach somebody to fly floats?

Well acording to Jake Wolk at Transport I am not qualified period.

P.S. I am guessing Cat that you know that was sarcasim. I would like to know your price. I was hoping you could do the initial but I guess with TC that is just a pipe dream.
Actually if I wanted to do float plane ratings through a FTU those coc.suckers at Transport couldn't stop me, but I am not interested in having any contact with them period.

As to price, I have not really come up with a price yet, the airplane is costing us around $230,000 USD with basic radios and instruments and painted white so we can do our own finish when we get it.

I of course will have to be competative price wise, however for each hour you will get a real bang for your buck.

For instance when doing circuits you will average at least thirty circuits per hour of training, both wheels and floats.

My course is called high command control, I was first introduced to that method of training in 1957 in Colorado when I received my first training for aerial application, and it really teaches you how to fly.....hell when I'm finished with you you will be able to handle a X/Wind over five knots so you can look down on a Seneca grad.

Well I don't know if I can still be considered "Young" but hope to be flying floats for most of the rest of my career, Autopilot IFR is starting to get boring.

30 circuits an hour? Hell I think my best has to be 15-20.

Sorry but I have been known to handle X-Winds of greater then 5 knots, Six knots to be exact, Seneca Grads be warned

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:52 pm

Well I don't know if I can still be considered "Young" but hope to be flying floats for most of the rest of my career, Autopilot IFR is starting to get boring

.

"Young" is a state of mind.

I will train anyone who is "young".

Lurch · Post by **Lurch** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:59 pm

Cat Driver wrote:
Well I don't know if I can still be considered "Young" but hope to be flying floats for most of the rest of my career, Autopilot IFR is starting to get boring
.

"Young" is a state of mind.

I will train anyone who is "young".

Well the hair line would say otherwise.

Sign me up and let me know when you are up and ready to go, of course I wouldn't want to go first incase you have forgotten how to fly

Lurch

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:04 pm

Sign me up and let me know when you are up and ready to go, of course I wouldn't want to go first incase you have forgotten how to fly

I bet together we could out think it.

Grey_Wolf · Post by **Grey_Wolf** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:19 pm

rm_pic wrote:
elmhirst vacation air out of Rice Lake
1400
tonnes o fun

Where is this located??

In Ontario, Just South West of Peterborough
http://maps.google.ca/maps?oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl&q=

Talk to Peter,
1-800-461-1940
1-705-295-4591
http://www.elmhirst.com/

They do their training in a PA-12. I checked it out earlier this summer, and would have done the rating there,
however, do to weight & balance issues and aircraft being built small

(I'm 6'5", 250 lbs ... and yes it's the "Clown Car Syndrome anytime I get into a smaller aircraft),
I didn't pursue a float rating.

.... Guess I'll have to get in shape or shell out extra cash for something a little "bigger".

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:34 pm

High Alpine Air

http://www.highalpineair.com

MINIMUM COST: $1960. Most, but certainly not all, complete in the minimum. Location/terrain is our advantage. Openings available for next spring.

gongshowking · Post by **gongshowking** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:13 am

Go for low cost, get the endorsement. Most of your learning will be on the job anyway. Build some time, i really only did about 25 hours before i jumped in and started working. Float flying is a lot of hype, you just have to be alert and careful as f*&*. If you have good hands and feet and respect wind and glassy water then just get the training build a little time and start talking to operators....be willing to work the doc too. Next season will be insane also so working the doc somewhere in ontario would prob lead to a job. Also when talking to operators dont make yourself sound like some metro city boy with a multi ifr and crap like that. Dont tell them how many hours you have to the .01 either. Dont stress over rounding up your time. Saying you have 150 hours on floats sounds much better than 75, and whats the diff anyway. On the same note dont say you have time on a type if you dont cause you cant really bs that. Ive seen people try and its pretty funny to see.

gongshowking · Post by **gongshowking** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:14 am

this may be a dumb question but is the Husky certified in canada yet? Can you do an endorsement on a uncertified aircraft?

Lurch · Post by **Lurch** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:34 am

gongshowking wrote: Saying you have 150 hours on floats sounds much better than 75, and whats the diff anyway.

If you only have 75 hours on floats DON'T double your time and tell them you have 150.

gongshowking wrote:be willing to work the doc too...Next season will be insane also so working the doc somewhere in ontario would prob lead to a job

I don't know if working the Doc, is going to help, I don't think Doc would like it very much, unless you're of the female persuasion

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:43 am

this may be a dumb question but is the Husky certified in canada yet? Can you do an endorsement on a uncertified aircraft?

The Husky is built in the USA and has been FAA certified since the eighties, there are a lot of Huskies flying in Canada under Canadian regristration.

No you can not give a float plane rating with a non certified aircraft in Canada to the best of my knowlege.

However I have no intention of using an airplane that costs over a quarter of a million dollars to give float plane ratings in Canada.

The TC requirement for 5 solo take off's and landings solo would make the insurance cost prohibitive.

Saying you have 150 hours on floats sounds much better than 75, and whats the diff anyway. On the same note dont say you have time on a type if you dont cause you cant really bs that. Ive seen people try and its pretty funny to see.

Are you suggesting that a pilot double his actual float plane time when applying for a job because it does not make any difference anyway?

Or to put it another way, lying about your time is A.O.K.?

If that is the way you think why not give Dave Nowzek a call at TC in Vancouver, you would fit in perfect in his group.

gongshowking · Post by **gongshowking** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:00 am

Cat Driver wrote:I'm going to the Idaho on Tuesday to order a factory new Husky on Whipline 2100 Amphibs.

I will be giving advanced floatplane training on it when it is delivered in about two and a half months.

Isnt this what you said? Who is going to take advanced training other than low time people looking to train??? I only mean if you have close to a hundred hours on floats its not a big deal to round it up a little. If you are a good pilot and feel you can manage a 180 or somthing and its the diff in getting a job then who cares....some people still suck at a thousand hours anyway. Oh oh...and its such an honest industry anyway in the stuff that goes on in the bush. Come on...are you guys the avcanada ethics people.

C-GGGQ · Post by **C-GGGQ** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:08 am

there is a brand new privately owned Husky on Whiplines around here, man is that a nice bird

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:48 am

Isnt this what you said? Who is going to take advanced training other than low time people looking to train???

Well for starters I am planning on giving conversion training to some high time CL415 waterbomber pilots from Europe who want to fly Twin Otters on floats.

I only mean if you have close to a hundred hours on floats its not a big deal to round it up a little.

Maybe it's not a big deal to you, but if I were interviewing a low time pilot who wanted to get started in float plane flying and the pilot thought that rounding up his/her time on floats was ethical I would not hire said pilot.

If they are dishonest from the start what would they be like as time went on?

If you are a good pilot and feel you can manage a 180 or somthing and its the diff in getting a job then who cares....

I do.

some people still suck at a thousand hours anyway. Oh oh...and its such an honest industry anyway in the stuff that goes on in the bush

.

Based on that logic why not deal drugs on the side because we all know it goes on in society.

Come on...are you guys the avcanada ethics people.

Are you?

gongshowking · Post by **gongshowking** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:01 am

As top poster on avcanada i guess you must think your opinions are pretty well valued. I love avcanada and the crusty nature of the exchanges. Everyone has been everywhere, seen everything and just done it all....it gets pretty tiresome. My point was that there isnt a big diff btw 75 hours and 100 hours. I know lots of high time operators and they know whats going on....i know so many people who lied to get a job...and that was the only way they could as for some reason flying floats seems to right up there with landing the space shuttle, all the insurance BS and stuff low timers are told. Thank god the demand is such that people can finally get into this kinda flying. Seem some still are asking for 5000 hours on floats. And is your ego that big that you think you really have that much to teach a waterbomber pilot? Give me a break, maybe you have as many hours in the air as on the internet...but who knows for sure? "im going to go here and order me husky.....that way i can give people advanced hardcore instruction" Do you have any idea what a douche that makes you sound like?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:24 am

And is your ego that big that you think you really have that much to teach a waterbomber pilot?

Excellent question Gongshow, to answer your question the waterbomber pilots seem to think I do and are willing to pay me.

Give me a break, maybe you have as many hours in the air as on the internet...

Actually I have far far more hours in the air, in fact I have enough hours I don't have to lie about my time.

but who knows for sure?

Me.

"im going to go here and order me husky.....that way i can give people advanced hardcore instruction" Do you have any idea what a douche that makes you sound like?

Hmmm, so because I am willing to offer training on a new Husky amphib that makes me a douche?

By the way how many hours do you have on amphibs, and do you have enough experience to offer what I am offering, if you do why not make yourself some money doing it?