ATPL Sign Off

[PopnChipper]

So, I have finally got SARON and SAMRA out of the way, all I need now is to get the last 30 hours of night time in to get my ATPL signed off. I will be doing so at the YWG office.

Do any of you have any tips on how to make this process any smoother? Ie. should I get my logbook certified before I bring it in from my employer? Should I have photocopies attached of all the applicable exam results? PPC card to prove IFR ride within 12 months? That sort of shit.

Thanks again for you help

PnC

[Pile-it]

They have a form for you to fill out with a breakdown of your time. Certified or not they will probably go through your book fairly thoroughly to make sure you don't have any addition errors. Bring your chequebook; I think they charge a hundred bucks or so for the process...

[TenForTwelve]

You can download the flight times breakdown on the TC website. It does indeed cost $100. Pirates. $310 for a licence is unbelievable.

[sissyphus]

No need to have the times certified, bring money and patience. If you want them back in hurry send it to Hamilton office. I was told there would be a 3 month wait in ywg, got my logbooks back and signed in three days from Hamilton. kudos again.

Waiting for months for confirmation could cost you a potential job. For the cost of fedex, worth the peace of mind.

There's a lengthy thread about this topic already

[shower of sparks]

will co-pilot in a day vfr twin i.e. pa-31, be counted for the ATPL? there is no mention in the ops manual for two crew, it's just a company policy.

sos

[TenForTwelve]

Co-pilot time won't be counted unless it's in the ops. manual. There also has to be an operational requirement for a copilot (IFR and captain doesn't have 1000 hrs, contract requirement, etc.) I had to get a letter from our chief pilot saying my co-pilot time was "dispatched on a 2-crew flight in accordance with our ops. manual." If you have a current PPC (not just a PCC) on the airplane though, I understand you don't require the letter. So in a word, no, your co-pilot time won't count.

[shower of sparks]

so if i write the samra and saron and get employed on a 2 crew a/c does this keep the atpl exams valid until i meet the hourly req's? even if i exceed the 2 year initial exam validity period while co-jo-ing on a 2 crew?

sos

[TenForTwelve]

I'm not 100% sure on this, but the ATPL exams are only good for 2 years regardless. I think the IATRA may not need to be rewritten if you get a type rating on a 2-crew airplane. (not a twotter or a king air, but one that says 2 crew on the type certificate)

[Ralliart]

Will TC process your ATPL application from out of region?

For instance, you live in Alberta but want to send your application to Ontario?

[Hedley]

Will TC process your ATPL application from out of region?

Of course. Your pilot's licence isn't valid in just one region

[shower of sparks]

i musk ask another silly question, so here's the scenario:

if you are a s/o on a 727, have atpl exams written, have 1200TT, will the atpl exams be "locked in" or expire 24 months after the exams were written?

sos

[EatSleepFly]

my son got his signed off recently in yhm, it took one day only! real friendly people there too.

they just asked the times to be broken down between single engine, and multiengine

[Edo]

so if i write the samra and saron and get employed on a 2 crew a/c does this keep the atpl exams valid until i meet the hourly req's? even if i exceed the 2 year initial exam validity period while co-jo-ing on a 2 crew?

sos

If a type rating is required (2 crew by type certificate - not ops manual) the exams will be locked in assuming you do an IFR ride. There is also a requirement for an IFR ride within the last 12 mts, so you could get into a situation where you have all the times but are in the second year of the PPC cycle and would have to do and IFR ride or wait for the recurrent PPC.

[FlightFX]

Anyone know more about when TC is changing the exams from 2 to 8? I heard it was the begining of the new year?

[BuckNiner]

Anyone know more about when TC is changing the exams from 2 to 8? I heard it was the begining of the new year?

Really? I'm planning to write the SAMRON/SAMRA exams in January and haven't heard anything about this. If anyone knows anything about this please PM me.

[Bank Angle]

Haven't heard anything about the number of ATPL exams increasing, and I do still keep in touch with instructors. Either way, I highly doubt it will happen in January or anytime soon, as TC takes forever to implement any change, no matter how small. I would be more worried about the possibility of needing a PPC to get an ATPL, which rumour has been going on for a while. I have also never heard of anything like a PPC keeping your exams valid for more than two years in my 6 years of instructing experience. You only have to write them (or the IATRA) once to qualify for FO on two-crew aircraft indefinately, but they will still have to be less than 2 years old to get your ATPL signed off! So I would write the IATRA if necessary for the job if it is going to be more than two years before you have the time, as it is only $35 to write. And I also highly recommend the Hamilton office. Although it was a while ago, I had my license signed off after only 1 hour.

[Carrier]

Quote: “I was told there would be a 3 month wait in ywg, got my logbooks back and signed in three days from Hamilton. kudos again.”

Why should there be a three month wait in any Transport Canada office? If one office can get it done in three days then so should the rest. Do they not have performance standards and bench-marking that is applied throughout TC? It seems there is a serious customer service/management problem at ywg that is not being addressed. Is there any management at ywg? If so, why are they not solving the problems to ensure that their office provides the same level of service that at least one other TC office (Hamilton) has shown to be both possible and practical? Does TC head office care about the fact that it has in ywg at least one incredibly dysfunctional office? What other TC offices are similarly lacking in basic customer service and performance?

Do readers think a delay of three months (a quarter of a year!) is acceptable? If not, then please advise what you have done about it. If you have done nothing then you are part of the problem. As a start, remember that Canada has a minority government and sooner or later there will be an election with incumbent MPs looking for your votes. If you are unhappy with this level of government “customer service” then let your elected representative know that you expect him to initiate some remedial action ASAP!

[Captain X]

A little birdie told me that the person in YEG who does the ATPL logbook stuff retired. So might be awhile if you send it there... unless they send it off to some other office.

[ScudRunner]

Brought my books into the YYC office a few weeks ago, they said it would be 2-3 weeks and it would be sent to winnipeg from there to be signed off. They said the logbook would remain in YYC just the paper work shipped out, As for the Test results sheets she said I they didnt need those as they were in the computer.

[Northern Skies]

Anyone know more about when TC is changing the exams from 2 to 8? I heard it was the begining of the new year?

You better be trolling.... either way it's not funny!

[Cessna_Crane]

If you FedEx your application to the Hamilton office for quick processing do they fedex your logbook back? I'm not to worried about that as I can just print off my spreadsheet and send it in anyway.

[185_guy]

If you FedEx your application to the Hamilton office for quick processing do they fedex your logbook back? I'm not to worried about that as I can just print off my spreadsheet and send it in anyway.

This is what I did, and no problems at all. I called the lady in YHM before I send everything to make sure I had all my T's and I's dotted.
If you print your spreadsheet off, just make sure you 'certify' it correct.
"All times in this logbook are certified correct" Signature (yours) , Date.
I had my new license in the mail in a few weeks.