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Pilot shortage?

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:34 pm
by Cat Driver
I see someone in Richmond is looking for a Ho pilot and a PPC is required.

So there can't be much of a pilot shortage.

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:41 pm
by 5x5
Hey Cat,

a lot of people in Richmond smoke dope too :weedman:. Coincidence - I don't think so...

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:35 pm
by Cat Driver
5X5, what is wrong with aviation in Canada?

I just can't connect the dots, people spend tens of thousands of dollars to get licensed to fly for pay and then fly for peanuts and are stupid enough to put up with this PPC crap.

For sure it is clear that all that PDM stuff that TC crams down their throats doesen't help their thinking process.

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:40 pm
by altiplano
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:08 pm
by SQ
Most operators I know are having a tough time finding anyone with 1000 hours
great !


what is a ho ?

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:22 pm
by Cat Driver
PA31-350

Global pilot shortage a looming crisis in Canada

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:41 pm
by Downtown
Here's an interesting read from CBC News regarding the looming pilot shortage.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/11/ ... kip300x250

Global pilot shortage a looming crisis in Canada

While airlines are filling their planes with passengers, the struggle to keep their pilots in the cockpits is a deepening crisis in the global air travel business, aviation experts are saying.

The shortage of commercial pilots flying the skies above Canada and the world over is so serious that the International Civil Aviation Organization predicts at least 15,000 new pilots will be needed every year in the next two decades. Canada and the U.S. will need at least 60,000 new pilots by 2020.

For Canadians, massive retirement, competition from the air force and foreign airlines, and low salaries are among the factors contributing to a general fading of the romance of the skies.

Flight classes at the Algonquin Flight Centre in North Bay, Ont., still have too many vacant seats, the school's owner, Stefan Corriveau, told CBC News.

Corriveau said that an airline in the U.S. last month had to cancel four per cent of its flights because no flight crews were available. He worries for the future of pilots at home.

"I think those problems will come to Canada," he said.

Although Corriveau said he knows he can handle more students to train for the major airlines, he said the flight business has lost its appeal to a younger generation discouraged by low starting salaries and sky-high training costs.

'Salaries are way too low'

"The salary issue is a very sensitive issue for a lot of pilots and in Canada right now, the opinion of many is that the salaries are way too low," he said.

To earn the minimum license required by commercial airlines at similar flight schools, students such as Bill Tompkins have to pay as much as $60,000, while starting salaries often barely crack $30,000.

"With the advent of low-fare airlines, really you've just become a glorified bus-driver," Tompkins said. "They've just cheapened it. For me, it's still there — there's a bit of magic, but the romance of flying is gone."

Travis Griffin graduates next year from the school, but he'll return to his native Ireland to work, where he can make a more comfortable living.

"It's 50,000 to 60,000 euros to start off, and then you get benefits on top of that, so it's better at home," Griffin said.

European and Asian airlines flush with cash are also coming to Canada and luring away home-grown pilots.

Air forces want to retain pilots

The military, meanwhile, is working hard to retain the young pilots it has trained in the air force. Before Jack Desmarais retired after decades of flying 747s for Air Canada, he began his career in the military. Many of his colleagues also learned their skills in the air force before later turning commercial.

But now, air forces around the world are giving better financial incentives to keep their pilots in uniform.

CBC workplace specialist Frank Koller said baby boom pilots are also retiring quickly, and that the airline industry has still not recovered pilots who left after the economic turmoil immediately following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the U.S.

He said some airlines, such as Air Canada Jazz, are trying to curb the pilot shortage by taking young pilots fresh out of flight school and mentoring them on the job in the cockpits. Although there are safety concerns, Koller noted that it's been done for years in Europe.

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:15 pm
by Phileas Fogg
Hey Downtown,

Why do you put your hours at the bottom as your 'signature'? You can't find a gig with that time??

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:44 pm
by Kelowna Pilot
I think calmer, more level-headed analysts are predicating localized, spot shortages in Canada and the US for the time being.

Air Canada and Westjet have no shortage of people wanting to work for them.

P.S. Would the enterprising flight instructor who keeps sending the media these 'shortage' press releases please raise their hand :lol:

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:26 am
by Downtown
Phileas Fogg,

To answer your question, you're right I have a flying job and I'm not seeking other employment.

The reason I list my flight experience in my title block is because I saw someone else on here doing it and I liked knowing their experience level so I too added my times.

Plus I guess at that time I was in the market for a job and the habit just carried through to now.

Downtown

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:48 am
by Vonhugendong
Kelowna Pilot is on the right track. I still refuse to believe there is a pilot shortage in Canada, there are as you said localized shortages, I think a better way to describe it is there is a shortage of qualified pilots willing to fly for peanuts with the regional carriers.

What ever happened to rhetorical listening? Question the source, I love how these flight school owners come on the radio and cry pilot shortage, they managed to sucker me in 4 years ago when the job market was non existent. The flight school owners have and always will talk of the great looming shortage, it’s just around the corner they say, I think I will just sit at home and wait for AC to knock on my door… :roll: :roll:

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:17 am
by Mr. North
Hit the nail on the head Vonhugendong! I was fed that line from day one. Will this pilot shortage EVER happen? Only for local, cheapo operators.