Flight attendant Limitations?

[hind sight]

Wondering if there are any duty day, monthly or any limitations for Flight Attendants?

[gulfan]

All I know is:

- Full Time flight attendants will be required to work between 76 – 80 block hours, and up to 85 blocked hours, depending on operational requirements.
- Can be scheduled for up to 14 hours of duty time in a day, and extended to 17 if there's unforeseen delays

[bcflyer]

All I know is:

- Full Time flight attendants will be required to work between 76 – 80 block hours, and up to 85 blocked hours, depending on operational requirements.
- Can be scheduled for up to 14 hours of duty time in a day, and extended to 17 if there's unforeseen delays

Actually I think those are likely limitations that your company has put in place or your flight attendants negotiated. As far as I know there are no CARS like limits (ie Federal regulations) on F/A's.

[sanjet]

No wonder... (say no more...)

[CD]

As bcflyer noted, there are no duty time limitations in place for either flight attendants or AMEs in Canada. Regulatory proposals to introduce limits for both work groups have been made a number of times but so far, none have been published.

[Liquid Charlie]

above is absolutely correct -- limitations are set through their collective agreements -- usually a "me too" clause and aligned with the front end.

[Redwine]

Is an F/A considered a "Flight Crew" Member? Or cabin crew? If an F/A is considered a flight crew member, and does not see it fit to fly due to fatigue they should also be covered under CARS 602.02?



(602.02 No operator of an aircraft shall require any person to act as a flight crew member and no person shall act as a flight crew member, if either the person or the operator has any reason to believe, having regard to the circumstances of the particular flight to be undertaken, that the person
(a) is suffering or is likely to suffer from fatigue; or
(b) is otherwise unfit to perform properly the person's duties as a flight crew member).

[Liquid Charlie]

They are not -- one way they are trying to establish their status is to have a licence issued by TC but as of yet there are not considered flight crew.

[Aeros]

Is an F/A considered a "Flight Crew" Member? Or cabin crew? If an F/A is considered a flight crew member, and does not see it fit to fly due to fatigue they should also be covered under CARS 602.02?

To support the comments from Liquid Charlie:

From CAR 101.01:

"flight attendant" - means a crew member, other than a flight crew member, who has been assigned duties to be performed in the interest of the passengers in a passenger-carrying aircraft; (agent de bord)

"flight crew member" - means a crew member assigned to act as pilot or flight engineer of an aircraft during flight time; (membre d'équipage de conduite)

[CD]

Is an F/A considered a "Flight Crew" Member? Or cabin crew? If an F/A is considered a flight crew member, and does not see it fit to fly due to fatigue they should also be covered under CARS 602.02?

One of the proposed regulatory amendments that I had mentioned earlier involved a change to 602.02:

The purpose of this Notice of Proposed Amendment (NPA) is to add the words "flight attendant" to Section 602.02 of the CARs.

Section 602.02 of the CARs contains a provision for the fitness of flight crew members and refers to the issue of fatigue and the ability to properly perform the person’s duties. As this section ties in with regulatory limitations that are being introduced for maximum duty and flight duty times, and minimum rest periods for flight attendants, Section 602.02 needs to be expanded to include flight attendants. Fitness of the flight attendant is also crucial to the overall safety of the flight and therefore should be included in this operating rule.

NPA 2004-005 - Fitness of Flight Crew Members and Flight Attendants

However, as I noted, the regulatory proposals have not been published.

...one way they are trying to establish their status is to have a licence issued by TC but as of yet there are not considered flight crew.

Actually, I believe that you are confusing the US situation with Canada. In the US, the flight attendant unions were successful in having Congress pass a bill that required the FAA to issue flight attendant certificates. Mind you, there are already duty time limitation in the FARs for flight attendants. However, these flight attendant certificates are different from the flight crew, dispatcher and AME certificates and are not true "licenses". In Canada, there has been no proposal to license flight attendants brought forward in many years.

[Rockie]

Pilot duty time regs are a sick joke given the preponderance of evidence regarding fatigue, and the fact that FA's and AME's have no limits is a disgrace. Transport Canada can be so useless it's embarrassing.

[kitin]

is there any other limitations that you have to know before you became a Flight Attendant? i wanted to be one but they say that height matters and that i am not tall enough

[Rockie]

None that I'm aware of from a Transport Canada point of view. But a company may have requirements since part of an FA's job is to put stuff in the overhead bins. Who told you that anyway? Unless you heard it from an actual employer don't believe it.