salary secrecy

[eurochild61]

I apologize if I come off as naive, but why is it sooooo difficult and rare to see actual salary ranges posted in Canadian aviation circles?? "Comensurate with experience"..."as per the collective agreement"...
American job postings usually include such detailed information as why type of flying you can expect, how many hours per month and how much they pay.

Why is there still an air of expectation from companies/chief pilots of gratefulness by us as hopeful pilots??

[Dust Devil]

wow this is a new topic

[1000 HP]

I don't talk about mine 'cause I wouldn't wan't all the airline types to quit their jobs and apply for mine

[vortac]

I suspect they are just hiding something not much to be proud of. By not disclosing salaries they retain an advantage during recruitment. Its a shame that there is simply not enough pressure to give up sensitive information. Salary details are sometimes much more sensitive to curent employees.

There is NO weight to just about every ad posting "above industry standard". If it was above industry standard, they would have posted it with pride. This lack of transperacy is a shame in our industy compared to other NOW more respected professions.

I would like to commend companies such as Thunder Airlines who have enough intergrity to post the TERMS up front in just about every ad they have EVER posted on here. They utilize the service AvCanada provides free of charge, fairly. Thank you for that BM.

My vote is for a requirement to post the salary detail on this site, no matter how complicated (ie. SW pay "matrix" WTF, lets see this matrix, what is this finite).

Unfortunately too many pilots will shoot themselves in the foot and vote for the opposite in fear of loosing the amount of ads. They'd be back.. they have little choice.

[husky]

I don't understand why people have a hard time understanding this. It's the same in pretty much ANY industry, except the fast food industry where you can be guaranteed to earn peanuts.

Generally it means salaries are not set in stone, and are open for negotiation.

If you publish a salary and it's too low, you are losing experienced pilots that won't work for that wage.

If you publish a salary and its fair, or even high, you are likely paying 80% of the pilots too much.

If you publish "to be negotiated, or comensurate with experience" you can attract experienced drivers with a fair salary without having to pay that same salary to those with less flying or negotiating skills.

[1000 HP]

I agree with husky. I left too much on the table a couple of times. And probably this year too. Next year, I'm thinking of going to school, so I'm going to be bidding too high.

[snaproll20]

I am offering $500,000 p.a. to anyone who can finally teach me how to fly.

Bids?

[Dog]

I don't talk about mine 'cause I wouldn't wan't all the airline types to quit their jobs and apply for mine

Bush pilots should make more. It's danger pay and you work harder. It's been my experience that you wont make more in the bush unless you're doing South Pole stuff or flying something in at least the medium category. I'm talking about pay per hour though not pay per month.

[Hedley]

You don't get paid more simply because it's
more dangerous, or because it's harder.

You get paid more when your employer
encounters difficulty filling the fronts seats
at the current low pay, and is forced to
pay more to fill them.

This is called supply and demand. See
the wiki.

Or, you get paid more when you form
a union, and you extort your employer
to pay more, under the threat of shutting
the company down. This is called
economic rent. See the wiki.

I do wish that basic economics was
taught in grade 12 in Canada.

[Dog]

Hey, yer smarter than you look...