Language now on our licenses?

[RA-DOME]

when did this happen and WTF for...?

isn't our CV how companies get to know our competencies, when did TC decide they could just judge what languages (with an S thank you) we are competent in because we ticked an english or a french box for an exam we once wrote ???

what about male or female? is that next? or race? or who your great grand father faught for in the War...?

the is BS... can anyone explain why this is important?

[Cat Driver]

Because there are other places on earth where airplanes fly and English is the international language of aviation.

[frac]

when did this happen and WTF for...?

On march 5, 2003 with an effective date of November 27th 2003. Amendment 164 to the Standards and Recommended Practices (SARPs), Annexe I to the convention on International Civil Aviation.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/publi ... t.htm#ICAO

If you want you can get both ratings for free before next month. I just got my French LPR endorsed on my canadian CPL yesterday.

Regards,

Frac

[Carrier]

Quote by Cat Driver: “Because there are other places on earth where airplanes fly and English is the international language of aviation.”

It should be but the reality is different. Cat Driver and rwetheryet would have a serious difference over the language issue, according to rwetheryet’s post in the thread “Flying in Quebec - Don't speak French” in the Canada forum of PPRuNe. It is not just a language or local politics issue, it is also a safety issue. 176 died in the crash between a BA Trident and a DC-9 on 10 September 1976. A major contributing factor to this mid-air crash was “The controller was speaking in Croatian to the Yugoslavian plane, which meant that the Trident crew was deprived of information that might have saved their lives.”

There have been other crashes and near misses because of the use of other than English. Should more be deliberately risked for local political reasons or should everything reasonably possible be done to remove unnecessary risks and improve aviation safety? When it comes to aviation one’s ability in languages other than English is irrelevant as for SAFETY only English should be used worldwide in aviation.

[aileron]

This isn't a French vs English issue as mentioned by Cat Driver. An "ear opener" is listening to the read-back, and then the read-back of a read-back from A LOT of the Chinese airlines coming into Vancouver. Also international students in Terminal airspace, the read-backs are atrocious to be kind.

It's hard enough listening to an ESL individual, let alone over VHF in LIVE airspace.

It is very fortunate and especially convenient for us "English" brethren to rant, though; all I can say is thank goodness it's in English because my Chinese, let alone French is much much much worse!

[Rockie]

I have heard there will soon be a requirement to prove a minimum level of competency in English if it is not your first language. Putting the holders language on the licence may be a means of identifying who requires a profile.

[Kelowna Pilot]

I'm sorry, I'm confused...

Does everyone have to take this language test including people born in Canada?

[CD]

Does this new regulation apply to everyone who holds a pilot licence or permit in Canada?

In accordance with the ICAO standards, these new standards will apply to private, commercial, airline transport pilot and air traffic controller licences, but will NOT apply to any other licences or permits (glider, balloon, gyroplane pilot licences, ultralight, recreational, and student pilot permits).

Some other FAQs available here:

ASL 4/06 - Transport Canada Update—ICAO Amendment 164—Language Proficiency Rating (LPR)
ICAO Flight Safety Section - Personnel Licensing

The Canadian regulatory amendments as proposed are available here:

Personnel Licensing and Training (Part IV) Technical Committee Meeting (March 31, 2005)

[just curious]

Does everyone have to take this language test including people born in Canada?

Nope, just people from Kelowna.

[just curious]

I'm gonna try and get mine endorsed for mumbling.

[Kelowna Pilot]

Nope, just people from Kelowna.

We've got a lot of expatriate Albertans here, so I can see that

[Masta-Fred]

I'm sorry, I'm confused...

Does everyone have to take this language test including people born in Canada?

Born and raised in Quebec, i still had to do both language exams a year and a half ago. Their very easy. At the time they were still in the "testing" stages of the program so we had 2 exams for each language, but that may have changed by now.

1 of the exams was related to aviation, ie. one of the questions was, "you see a cariboo on Runway 27 and you are on short final what do you say and what do you do"

the second exams was just to see your verbal outside of aviation terms, ie. "What are your hobbies, what makes you enjoy it so much?"

[TTJJ]

1 of the exams was related to aviation, ie. one of the questions was, "you see a cariboo on Runway 27 and you are on short final what do you say and what do you do"

Too bad they didn't use runway 22.

You see a cariboo,
On runway
22
And you are on short final.
What do you do?
What do you say?
Yell "SHOO, 'BOO..SHOO"
Once more you've saved the day!

Do I pass?

[Carrier]

Recently someone was showing me the language “rating” on a newly minted ATPL. This is on the front, above all other ratings. Nothing else seemed to be different on the front. I turned it over and was surprised to see that nothing is different from the old ones on the back. It still refers to age 60. ICAO supposedly changed to age 65 the year before last. What’s going on? Is Canada staying with age 60 or is TC a couple of years late in implementing the change? Is there any intention to issue ATPLs with age 65 on them?

[frac]

Recently someone was showing me the language “rating” on a newly minted ATPL. This is on the front, above all other ratings. Nothing else seemed to be different on the front. I turned it over and was surprised to see that nothing is different from the old ones on the back. It still refers to age 60. ICAO supposedly changed to age 65 the year before last. What’s going on? Is Canada staying with age 60 or is TC a couple of years late in implementing the change? Is there any intention to issue ATPLs with age 65 on them?

I am not aware of any limitation regarding the issuance of an ATPL to people over 60 or even over 65 in Canada.

Regards,
Frac

[ei ei owe]

If you want you can get both ratings for free before next month. I just got my French LPR endorsed on my canadian CPL yesterday.

Regards,

Frac

The end of Feb? Is there a firm date?

[frac]

The end of Feb? Is there a firm date?

I don't know, this information is based on the LPR FAQ posted in the Aviation Safety Letter:

7. What is the cost to the pilots for obtaining the LPR endorsement on their licence?

Approximately 96 percent of licence holders in Canada will receive either a French or English (or both) language rating from TC free of charge prior to March 5, 2008.

Foreign citizens holding Canadian licences, as well as Canadians requiring formal language testing after March 5, 2008, may incur some cost. Details of the implementation are being developed

9. Will francophone pilots wishing to obtain an LPR in English be charged a fee if they wish to have both an English and French rating?

Canadian francophone licence holders requesting an English rating before March 5, 2008, may submit evidence of their competency in English to TC. This process will not involve any cost to the pilot. This will apply only in cases where TC has not been able to establish the pilot’s English language competency through a review of available records.

May be TC Guy can get more recent information but I suggest that you act before the "proposed" deadline, just in case...


Regards

Frac

[Dog]

You mean there will be no box for Franglish any more?

[Grey_Wolf]

I have heard there will soon be a requirement to prove a minimum level of competency in English if it is not your first language.

... So what happens when English is not your maternal tongue but TC recognises it as your first and endorses your license without any testing?
(I'm bilingual, but I claim French as my first language)

You mean there will be no box for Franglish any more?

Well see about that I'm heading over to TC's Sudbury Office on Friday to get my "French Language Endorsement"; this way I can have both