A question for TC.

[Cat Driver]

What is your opinion of people such as for instance Hedley or me being able to operate a flight school without the need for all the TC B.S. that is involved in the FTU OC?

I can't personally vouch for Hedley, but I am fairly certain that I have forgot more about flight training than some of the idiots TC has here in my region in the flight training department.

And as far as safety and performing top notch maintenance I have been doing that before most of the TC types were even born.

Now I shall just wait and see how many TC types read this and how many will venture their opinion.

[MichaelP]

I think you write it on a couple of sandwich boards and parade in front of the TC offices on Burrard Street until you get a response...
Wear some clothes though, it's cold outside!

[Cat Driver]

Michael, you don't think they read this forum?

Or is it that they don't know how to answer the question?

[Hedley]

I can't personally vouch for Hedley

I can't claim to be a flight training "expert" but I
hold an ATPL with class 1 instructor and class 1
aerobatic instructor ratings. 2000 hours dual
given. I've been C.F.I. at 3 different FTU's
over the years. Was Authorized Person, Designated
Radio Examiner, etc.

I have taught ab initio, Recreational, Private,
Night, VFR-OTT, Commercial, multi, single
IFR, multi-IFR, tailwheel, aerobatic. These
days I try to stick to tailwheel and aerobatic,
with an emphasis on spin training and low
altitude aerobatics (eg SFOC candidates).

I have a perfect safety record, and a Tribunal
Tribunal Review/Federal Court/Federal Court
of Appeals file about 6 feet thick.

IMHO, the following onerous government
overhead should be abolished:

1) requirement for airliner-style FTU OC.
Takes a year to get the simplest possible
version of these, using one aircraft and
someone else's AMO

2) requirement for flight school to use
airliner-style AMO. That's going to take
another year, for one AME and one aircraft

3) Ontario/BC "private career college act"
which basically outlaws all small flight schools.
Transport has no problem with this interference
of the provinces. I would appreciate it greatly
if Transport would step up to the plate, and in
an act of good faith, pay the tens of thousands
of dollars per year per school required by the
provinces. It's all the government, so in one
door, out the other.

4) FTU now requires SMS. Just like an airline.
Anyone see a pattern here?

In the USA, there is NONE of the nonsense
above, and Transport recognizes FAA certificates,
which means that Transport recognizes FAA
training.

Oops, contradiction here. How can Transport
recognize FAA training, if it falls so short of
our high-overhead airliner-style organizational
requirements which force instructors to work
in poverty - they cannot compete with a school
that is screwing them with low wages, because
of the incredible overhead of setting up an
airliner-style FTU with an OC, MCM, AMO, SMS.

[Cat Driver]

Hedley.....that is plagiarism.....where are you stealing my stuff?

Anyhow I'm waiting for the first TC motherfu.ker that tries to question what I'm doing once I get my little training business going.

[Hornblower]

I can't personally vouch for Hedley, ...

Don't feel bad, neither will his ex-wives

... but I am fairly certain that I have forgot more about flight training than some of the idiots TC has here in my region in the flight training department.

That would be a good reason to not let you anywhere near an aircraft, ... but perhaps you meant to say; "I have forgot[sic] more about flight training that than (some, or all, but probably just most) of the idiots TC has here in my region in the (licensing division), ... have ever, or will ever know!

[duplicate2]

Anyhow I'm waiting for the first TC motherfu.ker that tries to question what I'm doing once I get my little training business going.

Hard to believe no one from Transport Canada would enter this discussion when it's so obviously a welcoming atmosphere....

[Cat Driver]

So how about your opinion duplicate2, this was the question.

What is your opinion of people such as for instance Hedley or me being able to operate a flight school without the need for all the TC B.S. that is involved in the FTU OC?

You must have an opinion.

[767]

the first TC motherfu.ker

you made my day! lol

[Cat Driver]

I'm glad you liked it 767, .....B U T...

If you want a long safe career in aviation so some day you can be like me and express yourself without fear of the regulator you must never give them the chance to put anything on your record that will make it easier for them to bully you.

Flying is a serious business and you must always strive to never be in a position where they can violate you for anything.

Calling them motherfu.kers at your stage of life just might make it difficult for you so let me do it for you and you can someday be in my position.

You are the master of your own destiny and thus must always operate within the rules and regulations so as not to give them reason to violate you under the law.

There is another real satisfying reward to having a spotless career as a pilot when dealing with these issues on these forums....you can use your real name while they use made up names...it sort of puts it into a more interesting perspective as to who is who.

. E.

[MichaelP]

As frustrated as I am with the problems of complying with TC requirements that take months of repeated work I still don't think that we should take shots at individuals within TC because of this.
Canada is a nation of law creation and liberty deprivation, we can't do many of the things people take for granted in countries where the original freedoms guaranteed by British law still exist.
In Britain you can drink a beer in a public place without worrying about being shot in the back of the head for doing it.
This was underlined to me when I arrived back to dead streets when people everywhere else were celebrating the New Year! There's a fear of the police, and I find people have a fear of TC too when a little blue Toyota Prius arrives in the car park!
Me, I always ask the inspectors if they want a cup of tea, and I'm enthusiastic about showing them my aeroplanes including the SporstStar!

Fear shouldn't be.

Progress in aviation like anything else is better when everyone works together.

Sure there are bad apples... on both sides, TC and the aviation community... But should we be taking sides?

I got really annoyed at one inspector. We met before he was one when he was flying an aeroplane in a dangerous state carrying passengers. He threatened to hit me for mentioning it!
As an inspector he said something to a flight test candidate that I knew was wrong and so I talked to him about it...
I'll still have a beer with him, and I have!

Last night I was at an instructor's meeting at another school... Yes I still do some for Pro while I do my Sea Land Air stuff as well.
But we are doing different things and I don't share the adversarial Canadian thing of hating your competition... Competition can be friendly too and this creates an industry in which people such as students want to be a part of.

If you can't say anything good then it's perhaps better not to say anything at all.

Let's try to be as positive about what we do as possible... Taking pot shots at people is probably not the best way to further what we do.

[Cat Driver]

As frustrated as I am with the problems of complying with TC requirements that take months of repeated work I still don't think that we should take shots at individuals within TC because of this.

I agree completely we should not take pot shots at individuals within TC, however if we are sure the TC individual deserves to be outed and willing to back up our statements by making them openly so the individual has the opportunity of defending them self from your allegations then that is fair.

As to any comments made here on Avcanada during these discussions if the poster you are having a pissing match with is anonymous then that is not a personal attack....you are only attacking some made up name, if your opponent were to post in their true name then of course there would be the need to reconsider how and what you post.

Canada is a nation of law creation and liberty deprivation, we can't do many of the things people take for granted in countries where the original freedoms guaranteed by British law still exist

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True, therefore the regulator has a far higher duty to remain within the law than the regulated.

and I find people have a fear of TC too when a little blue Toyota Prius arrives in the car park!

The same fear was rampant in Nazi Germany in the late 30's and early 40's, they feared government thugs.

Progress in aviation like anything else is better when everyone works together.

does that include cowing to repression form thugs?

Sure there are bad apples... on both sides, TC and the aviation community... But should we be taking sides?

Not taking sides means you approve of the bad apples.

If you can't say anything good then it's perhaps better not to say anything at all.

Maybe by exposing the rotten apples you are doing the industry a favor?

Let's try to be as positive about what we do as possible... Taking pot shots at people is probably not the best way to further what we do.

That could be true......

....and from my point of view when anyone meets me they know who and what I am and have the right to not associate with me.

Interesting how these issues evolve, for sure it makes for good reading.

[duplicate2]

So how about your opinion duplicate2, this was the question.

What is your opinion of people such as for instance Hedley or me being able to operate a flight school without the need for all the TC B.S. that is involved in the FTU OC?

You must have an opinion.

Well, the question wasn't originally directed at me since I don't work for Transport Canada, but since you asked...

I don't know. I've never had to deal with the process of getting an FTU OC so my only knowledge of any "TC B.S." involved comes from this forum. I also have no delusions that I'm at all qualified to theorize about what sort of regulatory oversight is required to maintain adequate safety in flight training.

If you wish to side step the FTU OC requirements, why not have prospective students buy shares in your aircraft for their training and then freelance?

[Cat Driver]

If you wish to side step the FTU OC requirements, why not have prospective students buy shares in your aircraft for their training and then freelance?

That would be exactly what I would do if I ever decided to renew my instructors rating.

Actually the instructor could not be a part owner of the airplane.....
....but the rest is O.K.

[Darrell W]

I think slaging all TC as incompetent is ubsurd. I'm real glad sombody is out there watching even if it's not perfect. I've seen some real good things and on occasion not so good but a large gov organization often has a culture that can't avoid some of the pit falls. I think the balanced approach is to judge each situation on it's own merrit and be careful not to turn individual events into an entire representation.

[Cat Driver]

This has zero to do with slaging all TC as incompetent, read the question again Darrel W.

The question put simply is do you think we should be able to operate a school without all the B.S. that is required to hold an FTU OC?

There try and address the issue at hand.....what is your opinion?

[Rockie]

I'll give you my opinion Cat, but I'll preface it by first saying that although I am not impressed with TC, I do recognized their role and responsibility in the whole aviation scheme of things here in Canada. A role and responsibility they are doing a poor job of fulfilling IMHO.

As to your question, I believe TC would not give a rat's ass what you do if they were not legally required to regulate FTU's in this country. But since they are, they will bury you with all kinds of stuff designed to protect their butts when the inevitable accident occurs and Joe Q. Public demands to know what the government did to protect them.

But of course you know that already. I think the Cat's in a bad mood and looking for a hapless TC inspector to scratch.

[Cat Driver]

No Rockie I'm in a good mood.

Countries and peoples in said countries evolve as conditions warrant thus regulations can be changed or written so as to improve the lot of those being governed.

Like Hedley I feel we should mirror the USA in their approach to flight training and do away with the need for the FTU OC.

There are sufficient rules and regs in place to guide an individual on how to safely operate a school without all the crap involved in getting and keeping the FTU OC.

When is spring going to arrive?

[Rockie]

When is spring going to arrive?

Not soon enough.

I defer completely to your take on this given your experience in this field and my lack of same. I was only commenting on the overall role of TC within aviation in Canada. Since you're in a good mood I'll assume it's a playful, yet still deep, scratch you want to apply to a hapless TC inspector.

[MichaelP]

I've had many a playful cat scratch my hands to pieces!!!
You have to be careful when you play with a pussy!

I think perhaps Cat has been faced with the Burrard Dogs!

If you do try to renew your rating Cat, be very prepared. I saw an old instructor's Class III renewal test go awry when he showed up without any notes!
After many years you don't need notes, but when you do your renewal, you'd better have them, and they'd better be up to date.
Be prepared to face your favourite inspector if you do!

[Cat Driver]

Michael when my instructors rating lapsed it was the equivalent of todays Class 1 with DFTE privileges.

Jim Dunn was either still shi.ting in his napkin then or not born yet.

There is a better chance of J.D. getting hit by a meteorite than giving me a retest for any rating. ( In fact he would be better off getting hit by a meteorite than trying to screw me over again. )

Furthermore I very much doubt that I would be able to swallow much less regurgitate all the crap that idiot would want to hear.

By the way next time you see him ask him if he has figured out what an STC is yet?

[SeptRepair]

Oh Oh oh i know, STC means Sexually Transmitted Cough. Get it from oral sex and such.

[Cat Driver]

J.D has STC?

[MichaelP]

Isn't an STC something you get in your vitamins package?

Or does it come with cat nip?

[Cat Driver]

Actually M.P the specific STC I was referring to had to do with airplanes, Dunn did not understand what an STC was.

At first I couldn't believe anyone could be working for TC and be that dumb, but he finally convinced me he was.