Recently got my PPL, with that I have few questions regarding logging hours.
Can I log ''DUAL'' when I fly with a friend that owns a Piper Cherokee with no intructor license?
Also what is considered ''cross-country''? Take-off from airport ''A'' with a touch&go to airport ''B'' then back to ''A'' or take-off from ''A'' and a complete landing and shut-down to ''B'' then restart....?
The cross country one doesnt necessarily have to be to another point other than the departure, i beleive it goes by a distance from the departure point. Someone correct me if im wrong but i beleive its 25nm, but im only 2% sure on the 25nm.
FE_PLT wrote:Recently got my PPL, with that I have few questions regarding logging hours.
Can I log ''DUAL'' when I fly with a friend that owns a Piper Cherokee with no intructor license?
Also what is considered ''cross-country''? Take-off from airport ''A'' with a touch&go to airport ''B'' then back to ''A'' or take-off from ''A'' and a complete landing and shut-down to ''B'' then restart....?
Pretty basic question I know....
For Question #1 the simplest answer is no you cannot log the time. This isn't entirely true and has exceptions but by the time you get to that point you will understand them.
#2 There isn't a set distance, If you have to use navagation techniqes and do time/speed checks, log it as X-Country, and no "navagating" to the practice area doesn't count
Lurch
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Lurch wrote:For Question #1 the simplest answer is no you cannot log the time. This isn't entirely true and has exceptions but by the time you get to that point you will understand them.
Lurch
I'm pretty sure this can be logged as dual, but may not be counted towards any license or ratings. (I have no CAR's reference.)
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You can only log dual if the other pilot is commercially licensed. Then you can only log 3 hours of dual towards a higher license.
If someone were to look at your logbook and see that you had 200 hours dual in a Cherokee, they would probably think you were one of those "special" pilots.
nice work...and the second question to keep it going....a master at work.
But what? Its not a troll? Well then, why go to all the trouble of just sitting in the plane and logging it as dual? And why a cherokee? Pick up a pen. show some imagination. Log it as PIC in a MIG 27....much better idea. After all, when you apply for a higher rating or a job, there are lots of people out there that might see through this "logged" experience in a cherokee.
But a MIG27.. like, who can call you a liar?
Still, it was a great troll. Try and keep it going. I am rooting for you.
Ah but you see, if it is indeed a troll attempt(which who cares if it is) the information given can actually be helpful to some people, unlike some troll attempts.
What kind of point are you trying to bring up about the troll attempt....if you are pretending that I'm trying to lie about building my hours your are so wrong.
I'm just a new pilot that flies FOR FUN, not looking for being hired by a compagny at this time of my life. Simple question that went I think a little bit to deep for some of you.
#2 There isn't a set distance, If you have to use navagation techniqes and do time/speed checks, log it as X-Country, and no "navagating" to the practice area doesn't count
you sure, I've always been told 25nm min. Transport wont credit it otherwise
#2 There isn't a set distance, If you have to use navagation techniqes and do time/speed checks, log it as X-Country, and no "navagating" to the practice area doesn't count
you sure, I've always been told 25nm min. Transport wont credit it otherwise
I heard the same thing years ago but haven't been able to find anything in writing to back it up. How do you prove you went at least 25nm. If you are navagating log it as X-Country.
Ignore the troll comments whenever somebody posts questions that are meant to stir the pot they are considered trolls
If this is a troll I would say it was a pretty timid attempt
Like I said before there are exceptions to logging dual if there isn't an instructor on board. Since you say this is for rec purposes don't worry about it, your hours aren't going to matter much anyway. Don't complicate your log book because you wanted to log 2 hours you don't need. If it is for rec who cares who logs the time.
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Cat Driver wrote:So if you buy an airplane from a private pilot that you have not flown before and the private pilot checks you out in it that is not dual?
No, You go to the local school and hire an instructor who has never flown the plane before to take you up and check you out, then you can log dual.
Now that is how you troll
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Just curious Lurch, Not stirring the pot but an honest question, How do you prove you went a minimum 25 nm, but how do you prove you are navigating. ahh the aviation bussiness, gotta love it.
Highflyinpilot wrote:Just curious Lurch, Not stirring the pot but an honest question, How do you prove you went a minimum 25 nm, but how do you prove you are navigating. ahh the aviation bussiness, gotta love it.
well the route of your trip would be in your log. That would prove the airport was more than 25nm away. Is how I understand it.
How do you prove that you flew your homebuilt with the car engine in it from the grass strip in back of your house for 800hrs?
If your an honest person, and it is written in your logbook, the logbook is proof.
the problem lies in that there are a few almost honest persons in aviatiion who maybe write something in their logbook that is wrong. Say riding around with a buddy and calling it dual.
Doing a bag run with a buddy and calling it time on type. Or maybe just adding .1 or .2 to every flight.
If everyone was honest there would be no need for "proof"
[quote="C-GGGQ"][quote="Highflyinpilot"]Just curious Lurch, Not stirring the pot but an honest question, How do you prove you went a minimum 25 nm, but how do you prove you are navigating. ahh the aviation bussiness, gotta love it.[/quote]
well the route of your trip would be in your log. That would prove the airport was more than 25nm away. Is how I understand it.[/quote]
Well, how do you prove any of it really? Some schools MAKE you stop to get your logbook stamped. I would just put the airport I took off from and the airport I landed at. If they were the same I would put my route in the remarks box ie ysj-yqm-yfc-ysj.
The 25 NM has to do with having to file a flight plan or a flight itinery. It has nothing to do with "cross -country".. Just go find a piece of country or dirt pile to fly over back and forth and tell your self it is cross country. ( don't confuse it with your cross country requirements for your PPL). AND as for "dual time"... just remember, no instructor rated troll sitting cozy with you, no dual. Not satisfied, dial 604--- ---- ask TC.
[quote="C-GGGQ"]Well, how do you prove any of it really? Some schools MAKE you stop to get your logbook stamped. I would just put the airport I took off from and the airport I landed at. If they were the same I would put my route in the remarks box ie ysj-yqm-yfc-ysj.[/quote]
Ya that's all I was trying to get at here, was how do you prove any of it really, just makes you think how easy it would be for a dishonest person to play around with their numbers in the log book, good old parker pen time in a way i guess.
