Lefty Party Day

[Hedley]

On this day (21 Feb) in 1848 Karl Marx
published The Communist Manifesto

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

Corporate Joe & friends - have a good party tonight!
I am sure you are very proud of the historical
results (Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, etc).

[CID]

On this day (21 FEB, 2008) Hedley makes an ass of himself.

[Hedley]

I can sympathize with you, CID. It surely can't
be easy being a proponent of communism, in
view of it's consistently disastrous track record.

[Widow]

CID is a communist????

[Hedley]

I didn't think so either, but that's sure what the response indicates.

[Dust Devil]

No IABD is a Communist. NOT A LIBERAL see I get it now

Can't really blame him the Cigars are amazing

[CID]

My post wasn't in defence of communism. I was alluding to the blatent flame/troll tactics employed by Hedley. Pretty low-end IMHO.

[Jeppesen]

Just wondering, how much is a box of 25 COHIBA ROBUSTOS here in Canada?

As for Communism....I'm 100% more proud of my country's achievements than any other Capitalist third world country. I don't really care if its left or right, all i care is that I never paid any hospital bill, and both of my parents went to University free with no debt afterwards. I never worked on the street and neither did my parents. I never went to bed without having something to eat nor anyone that i know or from my family. A lot of citizens from Capitalists countries can't say that.

Just give me one good reason why I was better off in Capitalist Nicaragua, Colombia, Venezuela, etc than in Socialist Cuba.

To be quite honest with you it was the only reason why immigrated to Canada and not the US.

[erics2b]

[JakeYYZ]

Fear not, Comrade! The Party is here to help you and all we ask is that you live in government housing, dine on government cheese and vote when we tell you to vote - oh, and vote for the candidate(s) that we tell you to vote for which is very important. Then and only then will you free yourself from the shackles of personal responsibility and live a fuller and more productive lifestyle under the loving watch of a free and democratic totalitarian regime that has your best interest at heart.
Viva Canada!!!

[. ._]

The Manifesto was written for us poor people. It is just as applicable today as any other.

If you're rich like Hedley, it's bad. But good on ya brother for bringing it up!

-istp

[Jeppesen]

Fear not, Comrade! The Party is here to help you and all we ask is that you live in government housing, dine on government cheese and vote when we tell you to vote - oh, and vote for the candidate(s) that we tell you to vote for which is very important. Then and only then will you free yourself from the shackles of personal responsibility and live a fuller and more productive lifestyle under the loving watch of a free and democratic totalitarian regime that has your best interest at heart.
Viva Canada!!!

that was funny!!

just one thing that i wanted to point out, no matter what people say Russia, Cuba, North Korea never were nor are Communist countries. The party in power (in some cases single party) was or is the Communist party but that doesn't mean they are Communists. All of them are totalitarian regimes, who punish people for opposing or having their own different views about how they should be governed. That right there is not Communism, Marx never said anything about killing people who oppose your beliefs or views for that matter.

Communism will never work simply because it is human nature to be selfish. Only when you have nothing is when you share the little you have. Once you start creating wealth more so than you need you inevitable become selfish, at least the majority of us.

I just oppose the very principle of Capitalism. Because for you to become rich, 100 people need to starve to death, and their families die of curable diseases. it is just unbelievable what happens in some countries that we don't see because we are more worry about the Iphone and trying to get away with taxes. The worlds fortune is owned by 10% of its people, that tells you how selfish we've become.

I feel that way, but I rather not speak because i don't like to argue about something when there's nothing I can do about it. In my mind I'm a communist and I keep it to myself. Some people are religious and their religion tells them how to behave and what's the good thing to do. My values tell me that the good thing to do is to be a communist and share the wealth equally with everybody. That considering, everybody is working towards the good of society as a whole rather than themselves.

Like everything. Some things are good about it and some others are not. That's why I, in practice am a Socialist, not a liberal, but a socialist. Early liberals are todays neo-conservatives. Go back and read history, at least that's what my 76% on Political Science class taught me.

just like ISTP said, when you have nothing your a communist, when you own more so than you really need you're a fascist

Viva Canada!!! Canadians should be proud like I am of Canada. Although not my country by birth, its my country by soul and decision!! am I the only one who feels something weird going on inside of you when they sing or play the national anthem? Man that's awesome!

[mellow_pilot]

Jepp,
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!!!???

You can't go saying logical or true things on Avcanada!!!

C'mon, use some 60s era vague and fear-based reference that has no meaning or basis in fact/common sense!

Sheesh....

All kidding aside though, the main problem with your theory is that equal share of wealth is not a reasonable expectation if there is a disproportionate contribution being made by different members of society. Don't get me wrong, I understand the ideals of pure communism, and for the most part can agree with the principles, in theory. In practice, however, there are variables that the system can't accommodate.

[mellow_pilot]

OH YEAH!

Well let's see your precious system take off, roll inverted, push to the vertical, then tailslide into an inverted spin and recover 500 feet above the ground. Then dash down the show line, roll inverted again, and perform a line abreast-outside-loop in a pitts. Then ride it's awesome motorcycle to the marina where it's 1/2 million dollar speed boat is waiting.

(There you are Hedley, figured I'd save you the trouble of writing it yourself! )

[corporate joe]

Are you trying to use rational arguments and educated opinions to reply to a post made by Hedley?

Simple people have simple minds and they need simple concepts. Hedley needs to simplify the world to understand it, or else it's a frightening place. Don't go putting nuances in there, you'll confuse him. Communism=Stalin=lefty=environmentalist=bleeding heart=corporate joe=bad. That's the only thing Hedley can and will understand (this is not the first post on the subject, he still doesn't get it).

As for Communism, it has always been bound to fail, because even though it's solid in theory, it doesn't take into account human nature. To simplify things a bit, you can't have a "perfect" system with "un-perfect" beings.

[Dust Devil]

Are you trying to use rational arguments and educated opinions to reply to a post made by Hedley?

Simple people have simple minds and they need simple concepts. Hedley needs to simplify the world to understand it, or else it's a frightening place. Don't go putting nuances in there, you'll confuse him. Communism=Stalin=lefty=environmentalist=bleeding heart=corporate joe=bad. That's the only thing Hedley can and will understand (this is not the first post on the subject, he still doesn't get it).

As for Communism, it has always been bound to fail, because even though it's solid in theory, it doesn't take into account human nature. To simplify things a bit, you can't have a "perfect" system with "un-perfect" beings.

seems like hardly a perfect system then

[Hedley]

One of the house communists opined:

for you to become rich, 100 people need to starve to death, and their families die of curable diseases

God, that's funny. Got any more? Heard the one about
Celine Dion and a horse walking into a bar?

btw ... if Communist Cuba is so great, why are you in Canada now?
Sounds to me like you ripped off your government - they invested
in you - paid $$$ for your health care and education while you were
growing up - and as soon as you could, you took off for a capitalist
nation. And you describe yourself as a communist? You sound more
like a self-admitted thief. Is there a difference?

P.S. I know I shouldn't pick on lefties - someone with more
noblesse oblige than I would treat them more with pity than
ridicule, sort of like any other mentally retarded person - but
you just can't buy entertainment like this!

Viva la Revolution, Comrades! Death to Imperialist
Counter-Revolutionaries!

Remember, if you're young and right wing, you have no
heart. But if you're old and left wing, you have no brains.

[bmc]

Is there a big difference between communism and socialism?

[Hedley]

Obviously you don't subscribe to the New York Times

Too subtle? Probably.

[bmc]

What's with this anger, Hedley? What's up? Are you going through some mid-life crisis?

Why are you so pissed off at the world?

[Hedley]

What anger? Man, this is the funniest thread I've read
in a long time. All we need is something funny from Haza
and a photo-fight between Snowgoose and Niss to make
it the best ever!

[bmc]

Whatever...the point I was going to get at was that Canada is a socialist country. Not communist, but arguably picking up some of the elements of a communist society: all for the community, social programs for the community, etc. It's not about the individual.

I guess it gets down to what your understanding is of communism. As a concept, as a Canadian, there are some good ideas. If I smoked a big bowl of weed, they'd probably make a lot of sense. In practicality, I don't it works. We haven't seen many examples, certainly none that I can think of. I don't think there are many ewxamples of pure democracy's either. I live in arguably the purest democracy (Switzerland) where the head of the country is completely powerless. Every 2-3 weeks, citizens go to there village offices to vote on policy matters. The people truly decide on all matters. They don't pick someone to make decisions for them. The downside of it, is that nothing changes. It demonstrates and amplifies our comfort in not changing our world.

What's the best system? There ain't none. In theory, a benevolent dictator might work, as long as he is right all of the time.

Communism....interesting idea that unfortunately requires humans to role it out and that's where it falls apart.

My $.02 Swiss francs.

[Jeppesen]

One of the house communists opined:

for you to become rich, 100 people need to starve to death, and their families die of curable diseases

God, that's funny. Got any more? Heard the one about
Celine Dion and a horse walking into a bar?

btw ... if Communist Cuba is so great, why are you in Canada now?
Sounds to me like you ripped off your government - they invested
in you - paid $$$ for your health care and education while you were
growing up - and as soon as you could, you took off for a capitalist
nation. And you describe yourself as a communist? You sound more
like a self-admitted thief. Is there a difference?

P.S. I know I shouldn't pick on lefties - someone with more
noblesse oblige than I would treat them more with pity than
ridicule, sort of like any other mentally retarded person - but
you just can't buy entertainment like this!

Viva la Revolution, Comrades! Death to Imperialist
Counter-Revolutionaries!

Remember, if you're young and right wing, you have no
heart. But if you're old and left wing, you have no brains.

Like I said it is my opinion and my view of the world. I rather not discuss it with anyone as there's nothing I can do about it. The government didn't pay for my health care or education, I did it through my taxes. Nothing is free and I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that.

I never said Socialist Cuba was great and perfect. Do note that I said Socialist not Communist, because Cuba is a socialist country with the communist party in power. All I said is that I was better off in Cuba than in any other Capitalist third world country.

The reason I left Cuba is because I dislike what Fidel has done to Cuba and its people, not being able to travel outside of the country, no rights to stay on hotels, getting paid on a different currency,etc. There are millions of things that I not only dislike, but hate. Then again, all of that is for a reason. When Fidel was elected president, no of this existed. It was only after the USSR disintegrated when our economy plummeted 54%, when we started to see all this BS.

Maybe you should read more history, to be a good politician you need to read history.

Cuba has accomplished incredible things with O money. That, I admire and feel proud. But things kept getting worse after the US trade embargo and the disintegration of the USSR. Even after all of these, we still have universal health care and education including University, something not all First world countries can say.

Off course all of that comes to cost, but It is fair.

Like I said there are tons of kids in Nicaragua for example, working to support their families, with 0 chances and aspirations to go to university. In Cuba even while in prison you can go to University free. You can get your Masters, Ph.d and all that for free, no matter what you do for a living or who your parents are.

So then again, where will I be better off....Nicaragua, or Socialist Fidelist Cuba? Is not to hard to pick a side isn't?

[Hedley]

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty certain Fidel would
call you a "counter-revolutionary". And much worse.

[2R]

Does Fidel still hold a license to practice law in New York state ???
Perhaps he will offer his legal services in his retirement if he can get a green card