kelowna flightcraft .. hiring

[timbob]

Seems to me they are asking a bit much; re time for a 2nd ..thoughts?

[xsbank]

"We are looking for dynamic and energetic leaders who are interested in the Second Officer position..." Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

[visual approach]

anybody know if they hire lower time guys, in the 500 hour TT range?? Good company to work for?

Thanks

[shower of sparks]

what's the s/o wait time for upgrade to s/o on the 727?

sos

[shower of sparks]

correction: upgrade to f/o

sos

[beast]

I have a friend who was hired with 300 hours TT, about a year and a half ago.

[Vector2ILS]

300TT? You have got to be kidding. You would be stuck as a s/o forever?

[beast]

Nope, not kidding. But yeah, i imagine he'll be doing walk arounds and setting clocks for a long long time.

[Never Mind]

what's the s/o wait time for upgrade to s/o on the 727?

sos

Was offered a job by the CP last summer as S/O. I was informed that upgrading to F/O simply involved having a spot available - anywhere from 1 year to 5 years. Of course, with the industry still in high gear I would imagine the wait would be on the lower end.

Never Mind

[atpilot]

They may want higher time pilots because with the DC10 coming on line and another purchase in the wings, upgrades could be faster than normal. Some upgrades happened just over 11 months but count on 18-24 months. It all depends on the insurance requirements.

[SQ]

"We are looking for dynamic and energetic leaders who are interested in the Second Officer position..." Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

I love this "nyuk nyuk nyuk"
you'd rather read zealous slave...
but it can be a very good gig

how is KF like ?

[co-joe]

I love their pop corn chicken... just can't eat a bucket anymore like I used to. Goes straight to my hips.

[mighty mouse]

"We are looking for dynamic and energetic leaders who are interested in the Second Officer position..." Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

I love this "nyuk nyuk nyuk"
you'd rather read zealous slave...
but it can be a very good gig

how is KF like ?

If hired as an SO, you could be upgraded to FO in two years or, if the industry stagnates as seems to be happening now... 6 years or more.

The pay is good "once you have been there for a few years" but you can expect to work hard, very very very hard! LONG nights!!!
Aircraft type is good "beginner jet" (built like a tank, centerline thrust, extremely forgiving) time but not EFIS, it will give you a some bonus points when you apply to aircanada/westjet but the guys with EFIS time, even if its on a turboprop will get more AC interview points than the 727 jet time.

Last consideration, KFCs 727 are high time, high cycle, well maintained but still very old and always flying at max load. You have to wonder when one will open up in flight one day.

Long story short, if you cant get on anywhere else, take it. If you can get on cargojet or anywhere where you can get PIC time relatively soon, take that instead.


IMHO

[Never Mind]

...good "beginner jet" time but not EFIS, it will give you a some bonus points when you apply to aircanada/westjet but the guys with EFIS time, even if its on a turboprop will get more AC interview points than the 727 jet time.

I fly aircraft with EFIS. It's not a big deal - honestly!!! Whether you're flying a PC12 or a Dash 8 what you need to keep in mind are the following:

1. Excellent radio communication skills
2. Agile working knowledge of aircraft systems
3. Keen situational awareness
4. Good IFR knowledge
5. Impeccable organizational skills

Yes, of course, previous flying experience on aircraft that have that extra power lever, or EFIS, does indeed round you out as a pilot. But remember boys and girls it's not the end all and be all of aviation. I'm sure there's a lot more for me to add but I'll let someone else do that.

Never Mind

[mighty mouse]

...good "beginner jet" time but not EFIS, it will give you a some bonus points when you apply to aircanada/westjet but the guys with EFIS time, even if its on a turboprop will get more AC interview points than the 727 jet time.

I fly aircraft with EFIS. It's not a big deal - honestly!!! Whether you're flying a PC12 or a Dash 8 what you need to keep in mind are the following:

1. Excellent radio communication skills
2. Agile working knowledge of aircraft systems
3. Keen situational awareness
4. Good IFR knowledge
5. Impeccable organizational skills

Yes, of course, previous flying experience on aircraft that have that extra power lever, or EFIS, does indeed round you out as a pilot. But remember boys and girls it's not the end all and be all of aviation. I'm sure there's a lot more for me to add but I'll let someone else do that.

Never Mind

I agree with you 100%, EFIS dums down flying, people who learn on dials are way ahead of the game. BUT, tell that to AC/WJ.

[LG1]

Does anyone know what the interview process is like at KFC? Is there any technical stuff or a sim eval?

[mighty mouse]

They want Pilots who cant get jobs with other airlines, guys who will be stuck at KFC long term.

[Never Mind]

They want Pilots who cant get jobs with other airlines, guys who will be stuck at KFC long term.

mighty mouse,

You're quite correct. When I received that offer for S/O I was informed by the CP that they prefer low hour guys because they won't run the instant they get their B727 PPC. Makes absolute sense.

Never Mind

[NewCPL]

I had an interview there a 3 years ago for a S/O spot. I was put in the hiring pool. I'm thankfull that I never got hired to KFC. I got tired on calling CP.Always was wait, wait, soon.... It was a Bull..... Now I'm in much better shape than being stuck as S/O on 727. Right now I'm a 737 Captain.Went straight after turboprop left seat.

[V1]

It doesn't sound a like a good place to work? What is the pay like for an S/O? Schedule? It is unionized?
Anyone got any calls?

[Coast-dog]

Mighty mouse and NewCPL, who the hell are you punks?

NewCPL, sounds to me like you've never been an S/O on a 727 so you don't really know how bad or good it really is/was; you have to rely on the jaded opinions of other people to make your assesment.

Mighty mouse: "You have to wonder when one will open up in flight one day."

Same can be said for any Tonka-jet Airbus or Embraer or DC-10 or whatever airplane type you care to name.

From what I know, the 'ole 727 is built like a brick sh**-house.

The only way one will ever "open up in flight" as you put it, is when the maintenance goes to pot and the flight crews really don't care if they live to seen another sunrise.

[bbb]

Boy, Mighty Mouse must have had a "friend" who works here - obviously never has him/her self.
To answer a few questions-
Upgrade time- when spots open up. right now, the recent upgrades to F/O have been within 14-18 months (see next statement, brownie points go nowhere here)
Yes, its a union - ALPA.
Low timers - last 2 classes had folks from instructors with 500 hrs to multi-turbine captains with 4,000+ hrs. Who's gonna find it easier for the upgrade? and for movement after f/o?
Pay- High 30s to start, plus overtime and per diums, expect to make low 40's.
Work conditions- yes, long nights (8-12 hours on the longer runs, 5 hours on the shorter, stay overday runs), and lots of them (supposed to be 13, but more like 15-16 right now, new hires will help within 6-8 months), but considering what you work at Jazz, less, and with the option of bidding less away-from-home time.
Why Cargojet would be preferable? no idea, unless its the reputation of their good CP - same aircraft type, same if not more days a month, similar (slightly less) pay, no union to back you up, no recently signed long-term contract, no new aircraft type, etc.
Aircraft about to open up in flight???!!!!! Considering the age of the world's fleet, these are not ridiculously old aircraft, just old. And well built. And well maintained. And again, Cargo jet also operates them, as do Morningstar, and lots of US operators.
I had the choice of Jazz (command time? give your head a shake! Pay? again what? work less? yeah, right, doing 5 legs a day/night into lots of smaller airports for the same number of days-thats not less! old aircraft with lots of cycles-hello Dash 8!) and Transport (can you say beaurcratic bullshit 10x, next-to-no flying, etc). But thats influenced by my experience level (already had 4,000+ with 3,000 multi, 2,500 of it pic).
For lots of people it is a stepping stone to Air Canada or Westjet, after getting a lot of good experience in the 705 world. For some people, who can handle night work, it is the place they retire from.
One of the best things about working for KFC are your fellow employees. Very supportive and helpful, no backstabbing, captains have diverse backgrounds with tons of experience.
One of the worse things is management - that does appear to be changing.
Anyway, to each their own - depends on where you want to be in 5 years, and how you want to spend (get paid for) your time getting there. Must say the wording in the ad is a little goofy. Biggest thing in the interview they look for is how you are as a person - when you spend that many hours with 2 other people in close quarters, its important to have mature people with good communication skills. If you're looking to bump up your pic time NOW, look up north. If you're looking for a schedule, and the security to stay or go in a few years, then this may be more in line.
Side note - last summer, 9 for g/s, 1 didn't show up (Air Creebec offer), 1 left on last day of g/s, 1 washed out in sim. Fall course of 6 were all internal recommends, all on line and doing well.
Any other questions feel free to pm me.

[shower of sparks]

morningstar or kfc? is one better than the other, pros, cons? to me they both seem like great places. any input...?

sos

[Coast-dog]

Morningstar's a small operation by comparison to KF & CJ, but they're rumored to get 757 as well.(old rumor)

[atpilot]

KFC has good job security with the Purolator contract renewed. They're getting busier with another round of upgrades happening now. It all depends on what you want, but if you're looking at paying your mortgage and having a decent home life, I'd go there.