occupations under pressure ---- pilots?????

[hawker driver]

Do you think that there are not enough pilots in Canada?

Well according to the new government proposal we have to fast track pilots through the immigration process and give them priority over other immigrants.

Just look at page 2 in the article and you will see that pilots and flight instructors are on the list, we are now considered an occupation under pressure.





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[2milefinal]

[twinpratts]

I'm telling you.... THE PILOT SHORTAGE IS HERE!

[Wacko]

where? where?! I don't see it!

[Invertago]

If you don't think that the shortage has arrived, have I got a PPC to sell you

[Wacko]

You can PAY for a PPC? Now THAT is just crazy talk!

[SAR_YQQ]

Hard to discern sarcasm over these means guys...

There is a huge shortage of trained/experienced pilots across the world - North America is going to get hit huge in the next decade. Something along the lines of tens of thousands of pilots required.

Is that not your view on the situation?

[Motto Pilot]

Is there any job that isn't on that 3 page long list of "occupations under pressure"?

[1000 HP]

There must be a shortage. Just look at the ads for pilots. Sometimes it is always the same companies. Maybe they pay lousy or suck to work for. But a lot of it is just guys moving up the ladder. I work as a contract pilot and although I have a main customer, I rent myself out on a day-rate to other outfits in need, whether it is just to give their guys a reset, or while they find a replacement for the guy that just quit..

[North Shore]

Interesting how it's business groups that are all in favour... perhaps that now there is a general labour shortage, and demand is driving wages up, they don't like capitalism so much, and want more workers so that they don't have to pay as much...

[hawker driver]

Interesting how it's business groups that are all in favour... perhaps that now there is a general labour shortage, and demand is driving wages up, they don't like capitalism so much, and want more workers so that they don't have to pay as much...

You hit the nail on the head!!!

All businesses are capitalist when they get started and don't want any government regulation.
When they get into trouble they look like socialists asking the government for a bailout.

[planett]

Hawker Driver,

You hit the nail on the head!

Several companies I've worked for behave exactly as you describe, I call them Convenient Capitalists.

[THEICEMAN]

Maybe it's just me......but I think the situation is more of an experienced pilot shortage. Most of the ads we see are request for Captains. Of course there are also the entry level job posts, but most ads still require 1500TT.

Nevertheless, pilot shortage a la U.S style may come to Canada?? Baby boomers are starting to retire & this trend will peak by 2014. Irregardless of demand, unless it really falls, supply shortages will affect the job market.

So is it fair to say that maybe by 2014, when pilot shortage really hits, Jazz can be forced to lower their minimums to 500TT & 50 multi??? (don't factor in those college 250TT wonders to theory)

[E-Flyer]

Maybe it's just me......but I think the situation is more of an experienced pilot shortage. Most of the ads we see are request for Captains. Of course there are also the entry level job posts, but most ads still require 1500TT.

Nevertheless, pilot shortage a la U.S style may come to Canada?? Baby boomers are starting to retire & this trend will peak by 2014. Irregardless of demand, unless it really falls, supply shortages will affect the job market.

So is it fair to say that maybe by 2014, when pilot shortage really hits, Jazz can be forced to lower their minimums to 500TT & 50 multi??? (don't factor in those college 250TT wonders to theory)

lol best bet to not get a degree then and spend time flying instead cause apparently ACA won't be looking at it in a few years lol, niether will Alaska, Horizon, Southwest, Jet Blue LOL now im not sure about jet blue but thought it'd be funny to put in. Right? If it's "experienced pilot shortage" then I don't understand why the question about degree/no degree always comes up. If it's all experience aside from personality, profile, and all that other nifty presentation stuff, then let's all settle at that. And I believe experience overtakes a 4 year bachelors of weaving. My second question is this, isn't there a much higher pilot shortage in Europe? wasn't like KLM announcing the hiring of like 1000 pilots by 2009 ? why would any 21 year old at 500-1000 hours move to come and fly king air's when they could fly 37's as a START / oh and with a much higher salary.

It'll be interesting to see how it all turns out

My 2 cents

[Stevo226]

IMHO, in aviation:

Demand Goes Up + Less Pilots = same shitty pay and hours

Am I wrong? i haven't been in the industry long enough to see a long term change in salaries

[BigB]

IMO, there is not a pilot shortage. The "aviation experts" have been spouting the impending shortage for a generation and a half. I will agree however that a shortage is occuring, the same day that not one up-and-coming pilot has to work the ramp before getting the flying job, and does not have to pay for a PPC. Another test is of course...pay. Wages have not gone up, so I call B*&%$#@t on the "shortage".

[CaptainHaddock]

They also include Flight Engineers ,I don't really see that position under pressure,especially in the next 5 years.

[Meecka]

Hell I'd jump at a chance for an "oiler" ( the older guys will recognise this one) job!!!

[florch]

If you look back at the original career list in the article, it would have been shorter to list occupations not under pressure - including some other jobs with high demands and low pay. Not to say that I want an airlift of pilots when wages are about the same as they were 20 years ago, with no provision for inflation. I agree - there's only a shortage of pilots willing to work for SFA. The rest went overseas. There's more than enough Canadian pilots to fill all the jobs in Canada if you could entice them home.

['effin hippie]

Hell yah there is a pilot shortage.

Ask anyone trying to fill the left seat of a medevac machine north of 55 these days.

Have wages at this tier increased for captains? Hell yes. Ask Tindi what they'll give you to drive a 200.

Have they increased for F/O's? Hell no. Never short of wannabes.

ef

[Dust Devil]

Interesting how it's business groups that are all in favour... perhaps that now there is a general labour shortage, and demand is driving wages up, they don't like capitalism so much, and want more workers so that they don't have to pay as much...

Part of capitalism is when the price of a commodity rises you increase supply as well. I wouldn't look at this as government interference in order to manipulate the supply. I look at it as removing government interference in order not to manipulate the supply of qualified workers who exist globally. What makes someone less qualified to do a job because they come from Europe or Asia. This goes for all professions. We face a huge work force deficit and the only way to supply enough workers is to open our borders up. The government is taking a very proactive approach to this and good on em for doing that.

[THEICEMAN]

I agree with you E-flyer, but it's more complicated then the way you say it is. Originally I was speaking about the Canadian pilot market....but concerning KLM, unless you have a dutch work permit, it's out of the question.

Maybe the fact that the we are loosing a lot of pilots to the international market will affect us real soon. I was reading a 2005 article on how many Canada 3000 pilots are enjoying their expat jobs. With the all these new airbus/Boeing orders in Asia, maybe we might loose more experience or qualified captains.

In Canada, we are not at the point where we need to hire low timers to fly 737. There where still be low timers trying to find 703 jobs.
How does this affect us in Canada. Will we have to lower minimums or left seat requirements?

Look at lion air out of Indonesia. They have 170 new 739ER orders. Would you take the job in Indonesia if you were qualified? Check out my new thread concerning this matter

[Stearman]

Maybe the time in the industry is right for creating a professional Guild in Canada for Aviators.

That will be the day eh. Okay I am waking up now what was I thinking.

[CAL]

Is there a shortage.....in my limited opinion there are lots of pilots...pilots with experience on type with the legal right to work in Canada? no
North Shore had it right a few posts back...
Its limited to the fact that companies are now having to pay much more than they were to get guys and to train them...so this means its less likely that companies will start up....add this increase in wages and costs(which is about 20 years overdue) to 110 bucks a barrel and you have a real slow down...politically not a good move...thus the bill....
aviation is strange business....but the bottom line is that it just does not make that much money but costs so damn much to run, which is why we still fight for every buck....unlike a lawyer...his firm makes millions...so they get paid....pretty simple....