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I really think some major tough times are coming especially for the airlines. I for one am thankful that I'm working at my present company having our costs in line. One doesn't have to look far south to see the airline impact in these early stages. I think it's going to get much worse before it gets better. Maybe I'm fear mongering, however this will grind the hiring to a stop imho. get ready for the music to stop and grab a chair! :?






Oil prices, gasoline costs to double: CIBC report
SHAWN MCCARTHY

Globe and Mail Update

April 24, 2008 at 11:17 AM EDT

OTTAWA — Crude oil prices will soar to more than $200 (U.S.) per barrel over the next five year – driving Canadian pump prices to $2.25 a litre and forcing a fundamental transformation in the North American economy, says Jeff Rubin, chief economist with CIBC World Markets Inc.

In a new report, Mr. Rubin forecast a continued run-up in crude prices, despite a slowing world economy and slumping petroleum demand in United States, the world's leading oil consumer.

He said he expects crude prices – now trading at above $116 (U.S.) a barrel - to average $150 by 2010, and more than $200 by 2012. That would translate into pump prices of $7 (U.S.) per gallon in the United States, and $2.25 per litre in Canada, double the current levels.

“Whether we are already at the peak of world oil production remains to be seen, but it increasingly clear that the outlook for oil supply signals a period of unprecedented scarcity,” the economist said.

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World oil production has essentially stagnated at about 85-million barrels per day over the last two years, with growing demand met by increases in natural gas liquids, a fuel source that is used by the petrochemical industry but is of little use for transportation.

Mr. Rubin said he expects crude oil production to grow by about 1-million barrels per day over the next several years.

Meanwhile, growing demand in China, India, Russia and the Middle East will more than offset declines in the industrialized world.

“Millions of new households will suddenly have straws to start sucking at the world's rapidly shrinking oil reserves,” he wrote.

He said the sharply higher oil prices will prove devastating for the North America's industrial base, particularly the auto industry. But Canadians will benefit from the spinoffs, in terms of jobs, tax revenues and procurement, from the country's oil-rich provinces.
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Steep loss leads to 'fundamental' overhaul at United including job cuts. United Airlines parent UAL Corp. suffered a massive $537 million loss in the first quarter, widened precipitously from a $152 million deficit in the year-ago period, and said Tuesday that it will "fundamentally overhaul every facet of our business," starting with the grounding of 30 aircraft and the laying off of 1,100 employees.

The company has hedged 25% of its forecasted fuel consumption for the remainder of 2008. It announced plans yesterday to reduce full-year nonfuel costs by an additional $200 million over and above the $200 million in cuts announced in March, and capital expenditures by $200 million. Another 9% fourth-quarter mainline capacity reduction will be added to a previously announced 5% cut, with consolidated ASMs falling 4% year-over-year. Full-year mainline capacity now is expected to drop 1.5%-2.5%, with consolidated capacity falling 1%-2%. The fleet reduction, to consist of narrowbody aircraft, represents an increase of 10-15 units over plans announced last month while the job cuts, which will be accomplished through furloughs, attrition and buyouts, will comprise 500 salaried and management employees and 600 union-represented positions and will occur by year end. (Source: Air Transport World)
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Most airlines if they have any sense, should have been, and still should be hedging fuel as much as they can.

Planes will still need to fly 5 years from now, it will be the airlines with the best forward planning that will prevail.
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Fuel costs will hurt demand, Air Canada warns
BERTRAND MAROTTE

Globe and Mail Update

May 21, 2008 at 5:58 PM EDT

MONTREAL — Air Canada is making adjustments to cope with record high fuel costs that are expected to put a dent in demand for air travel in the second half of the year, the airline's chief executive officer says.

“We continue to see strong bookings, but the cost increases we're expecting are fairly significant and they need to eventually make their way into the market place,” Montie Brewer, Air Canada's president and CEO, said after the company's annual meeting yesterday.

“The severity of it will impact customer demand. We'll see how much the customer can absorb and still plan on travelling.”

The airline is closely monitoring the market to see how consumers are reacting to the high cost of flying and it will “respond accordingly,” Mr. Brewer said.


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“We have a lot of tools at our disposal to be able to adapt.”

Further price hikes to offset the cost of fuel aren't being ruled out, he said.

The price of crude oil rose $4.19 (U.S.) to a record $133.17 a barrel yesterday, with no end in sight to its climb.

Mr. Brewer said every $3 increase in the price of a barrel of crude translates into an additional $75 in fuel costs for Air Canada.

Fuel at the airline now accounts for 31 per cent of its total operating costs, up from 25 per cent a year ago, he said.

Mr. Brewer made his comments after American Airlines announced plans yesterday to lay off workers and cut domestic flights – and start charging $15 for the first checked bag – to cope with steep fuel prices.

An Air Canada official said yesterday the airline is not planning “at this point in time” to charge for checking the first bag. Air Canada has already announced plans to begin charging for a second checked bag on July 15, if the passenger has a Tango or Tango Plus ticket within North America.

Air Canada and rivals WestJet Airlines Ltd. and Porter Airlines Inc. recently introduced one-way fuel surcharges ranging from $20 (Canadian) to $45. Air Canada scaled back its initial surcharges by 25 per cent to match lower fees charged by WestJet.

Some analysts criticized Air Canada for burying the fuel surcharge information on its website, but Mr. Brewer said the airline is taking steps to ensure there is more transparency in the way ticket price information is provided.

“We'd like to find a way to make it more transparent and more real-time for the customer,” he added.

Mr. Brewer also said Air Canada is seeking “very high” compensation from Boeing Co. for a two-year delay in the delivery of fuel-efficient 787 Dreamliners.

He would not say whether the compensation being sought is in the form of cash or price breaks but noted “it will take some time” to reach a settlement, given that talks are taking place with several other carriers that have also been hit by delays.

Air Canada shares closed down 54 cents to $8.10 on the Toronto Stock Exchange.
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From todays New York Times

“It’s only going to get worse and worse,” said Laura Glading, president of the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, which represents employees at American.

American Airlines executives said they had little choice but to impose such fees, given that the price of jet fuel is up more than 80 percent from a year ago.

“Our company and industry simply cannot afford to sit by hoping for industry and market conditions to improve,” American’s chief executive, Gerard J. Arpey, said Wednesday at a shareholder meeting.

Airline industry losses could top $7.2 billion in 2008, Jamie Baker, an analyst with JP Morgan Chase, estimated this week. Airline shares were battered Wednesday, as oil surged to a record of $133.17 a barrel. Stock in American’s parent company fell 24.2 percent, to $6.22 a share.

To cut costs, the company also said Wednesday that it would eliminate 11 to 12 percent of its seats this fall, on top of an earlier reduction of about 6 percent. The airline will retire up to 85 aircraft, or almost a tenth of its fleet.

Other major American airlines, including Southwest Airlines, said Wednesday that they were considering matching the fee. “We’re doing everything we can do to boost revenue, but it’s not our goal to nickel and dime our customers,” said a Southwest spokeswoman, Christi Day.

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Canada's economy is still hot. Unemplyment still at a record low. Inflation very low as well.

What happens in the US won't necessarily take into effect here.

Fact is, Canada is the next Dubai. We have the #1 Oil reserves in the world. It is profitable at 30$ a barrel to extract from the Tarsans... Imagine the potential at todays prices... and tomorow's.. (>200 a barell!!). I don't understand why everyone thinks the airlines in Canada are going to take a dive. Air Canada just announced one of its highest profits for the 1st quarter ever! Emirates is also recording huge profits!

Like I said, with our Oil, I think we are on the verge of becomming the next Dubai! We are going to be THE richest countries in the world!

As for the job posts, I havent seen so many as now for pilots on this site. I think times are still very good. If they do take a small correction... hiring will still be steady.

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Couple of problems with your arguement...

Canada and the US are the largest trading partners in the world. If the US trends further and further down, they won't buy as many products. Namely, lumber and automobiles. Alberta might be the richest place in Canada, but as wages will keep rising, so does inflation...It costs lots of money to extract that tar, and costs more and more each day. Ontario is losing jobs

I think Emirates makes far more money than Air Canada. Dubai doesn't produce much oil at all, but have used what they had to build an incredible success story. Abu Dhabi, has the mongo oil reserves and with only about 1 million people is probably the richest place on earth.

But on balance, I agree Alberta and BC will cruise along nicely...
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I tend to agree with synthpro, we are in a fundamentally better place than our cousins to the south. The price of oil has broken their camel's back. Other factors come into play, overcapacity has been the "emperor's new clothes" for a while now. The big outfits can now downsize and can blame the oil boogyman instead of themselves.
The mortgage meltdown hasn't helped much either, if you've lost your house, or or are struggling to keep it, going on a trip is out of the question.
Body bags and trillion dollar wars .... foriegn investors who are spooked...The list goes on.
It's a seller's market for oil, and we have lots for sale.
The CDN dollar has helped WJ immensely, Clive told us one day back when the dollar was around 85c, how many millions it saved us for each penny of gain, but I forget. Safe to say it's now in the hundreds of millions of savings on aircraft payments.
Like everybody else, it hurts at the pump to fill my 98l tank, but I think overall it's a small price to pay for the prosperity we enjoy.
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I wonder how long before the Americans notice our oilsands and come over and 'liberate' us.
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Its funny how everyone finger points the US for their Iraq invasion. Ok ok... I'll be honest, I'm one of them USA supporters... fine.

But I don't see why people overlook the fact that Saddam Hussein made it very difficult for inspectors to do their jobs properly in the first place. Ok ok ... so he didn't have WMD's.... but... with that in mind... why did he have to pretend to the world as though he did? He gave the UN such a hard time to do their investigations, and always acted as I would say... rather suspicious.

The ways I sees it.... he asked for it and got exactly what he deserved.

As for all the conspirist theorists thinking the US is only their for the oil... fisrt off, the only money they are generating from that department are from the expertise they are giving to extract it. And even if lets say, they were making money off Iraq's oil, trust me... the cost of this war is probably id figure 1000 times more than whatever gains they are getting from the home discount price of oil. Their a TRILLION dollars in debt from this war!! Thats nuts!

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synthpro wrote:Like I said, with our Oil, I think we are on the verge of becomming the next Dubai! We are going to be THE richest countries in the world!
Maybe if we stop giving it away. Our oil royalties are absurdly low compared to other nations.
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Those of us that were around in the 1970s have seen this before.
With regard to the oil price predictions at the start of the thread - in the early 80's the government justified the NEP by predicting oil prices of $100 in 1986.
In 1986 oil prices were $10 a barrel.
My point is that this is only a prediction, prices go up, and they go down.

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Thanks Mash. I recall those events as well.
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synthpro wrote:Its funny how everyone finger points the US for their Iraq invasion. Ok ok... I'll be honest, I'm one of them USA supporters... fine.

But I don't see why people overlook the fact that Saddam Hussein made it very difficult for inspectors to do their jobs properly in the first place. Ok ok ... so he didn't have WMD's.... but... with that in mind... why did he have to pretend to the world as though he did? He gave the UN such a hard time to do their investigations, and always acted as I would say... rather suspicious.

The ways I sees it.... he asked for it and got exactly what he deserved.
It is called National Sovereignty. If Canada was accused of having nuclear weapons with the intent of launching against another country and an "international" policing agency said that it was going to enter to perform inspections I would be tempted to tell them all to flag off as Saddam did. Especially if the claims were untrue.

Was Saddam an evil man that committed atrocities against his own people, yes. For this he hanged. It had nothing to do with his lack of cooperation with the UN inspectors.

Don't fool yourself. The Bush lineage, their personal vendettas and their association with Texas oil business were all BIG factors in the illegal invasion of Iraq.
A330 wrote:Couple of problems with your arguement...

Canada and the US are the largest trading partners in the world. If the US trends further and further down, they won't buy as many products. Namely, lumber and automobiles. Alberta might be the richest place in Canada, but as wages will keep rising, so does inflation...It costs lots of money to extract that tar, and costs more and more each day. Ontario is losing jobs

I think Emirates makes far more money than Air Canada. Dubai doesn't produce much oil at all, but have used what they had to build an incredible success story. Abu Dhabi, has the mongo oil reserves and with only about 1 million people is probably the richest place on earth.

But on balance, I agree Alberta and BC will cruise along nicely...
Don't forget the future economic powerhouses Newfoundland and Saskatchewan based on their oil and natural gas reserves!
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synthpro wrote:The ways I sees it.... he asked for it and got exactly what he deserved.
Howbout the 1 million iraqi civilians that died, and the couple millions refugees. Seems they got what he deserved as well.

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United slashes jobs, fleet
ASHLEY M. HEHER

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June 4, 2008 at 9:08 AM EDT

CHICAGO — United Airlines said Wednesday that it's cutting up to 1,100 more jobs, removing 100 fuel-guzzling airplanes from its fleet and slashing domestic capacity as it tries to cope with spiraling fuel prices.

The No. 2 carrier in the United States said it plans to cut an additional 900 to 1,100 salaried, contract and management employees by the end of the year, in addition to 500 previously announced job reductions.

Officials said the “aggressive” moves are designed to the help the subsidiary of UAL Corp. weather an “unprecedented fuel environment.” Crude oil futures prices peaked at a record above $135 (U.S.) a barrel nearly two weeks ago and airline fuel prices have been rocketing higher as well.

“This environment demands that we and the industry act decisively and responsibly,” Glenn Tilton, United's chairman, president and chief executive, said in a statement. “At United, we continue to do the right work to reduce costs and increase revenue to respond to record fuel costs and the challenging economic environment.”

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United said it plans to ground its entire fleet of 94 Boeing B737s as well as six of the company's 747s — its oldest and least fuel-efficient planes. It is also scrapping it's coach-only “Ted” service and reconfiguring those planes to include first-class seats.

And the Chicago-based carrier will cut mainline domestic capacity by 17 to 18 per cent in 2009, while also scaling back international capacity by 4 to 5 per cent.

“The decision to dramatically reduce our capacity profile, particularly in the domestic marketplace, while over time eliminating a fleet type, is a significant step leading to a more effective and efficient operating fleet for United in the years ahead, while improving our customer experience and reliability,” chief operating officer John Tague said in a statement.

Airlines in the United States are struggling amid the record-high fuel prices and slashing capacity and jobs while charging customers extra fees.

American Airlines announced last month that it would cut workers and slash its domestic flight capacity by 11 percent to 12 per cent in the fourth quarter, after the peak summer season is over. The carrier was previously planning a 4.6 perc ent cut.

And the subsidiary of AMR Corp. said it would charge passengers $15 for the first checked bag.

UAL shares, which have plummeted this spring, rose 5 cents to $8.58 in pre-market trading Wednesday.
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Oil prices are just part of the story. Overcapacity has always and will always be a big problem south of the border. Time for one or two to go and maybe throw in a merger or two. Nothing new down there. They'll never learn.
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The situation the airlines in the U.S. are in is quite different from what is happening here in Canada. Firstly almost all the major U.S. players have large segments of their fleets that are of the fuel guzzling variety like DC-9's, MD-80's, and older 734's. Second the greenback has been sagging big time while the Canadian dollar has been strong which has helped to offset the high price of oil. Lastly the economy in Canada is surging while the U.S. is most likely already in recession. Throw in overcapacity down south and you get a very grim outlook.

I am not suggesting that Canadian carriers are immune to the current conditions but they are certainly better positioned than the American carriers. As Tony likes to say apples and oranges. I find the comparison between our situation and the situation down south disingenuous and more of a tool that can be used in contract negotiations down the road. I often hear AC brass say that fuel prices have doubled which has a direct effect on the bottom line blah blah blah, what is left out is that 40% of the 2008 fuel is hedged at a much lower price, the dollar is up, and the fleet has changed a lot from a year ago with the removal of the A343's etc. Therefore fuel cost has certainly not "doubled".

Finally if history is a teacher what goes up must come down. No matter what the speculators say oil prices will be below $100 in the near future, maybe as low as $60-70. Most investors admit that speculation has added some $40-60 dollars to the price of a barrel putting the real value of a barrel in that $70 dollar range. So if the airlines slash and burn in the short term they might be frantically trying to add capacity in a year or two as oil settles down.

This post is purely uneducated opinion, it's the AvCanada way.
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Looks like the same for Delta and AA too...


Delta may drop 11% of domestic flights
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Published: Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Delta Air Lines Inc., poised to become the world's largest carrier by acquiring Northwest Airlines Corp., plans to drop more flights to blunt soaring fuel bills.

"There will be some incremental cuts," President Ed Bastian said today. "It'll be targeted. We haven't decided yet" exactly how many flights or which ones, he said.

The reductions are building on domestic cutbacks of as much as 11 per cent that were announced earlier this year, which included grounding 90 planes and eliminating the jobs of 3,000 employees who took buyouts. The acceptances exceeded goals set by Atlanta-based Delta and represent about 5.5 per cent of the workforce.

U.S. carriers are responding to a 78 per cent jump in the price of jet fuel during the past 12 months. Fuel has surpassed labor to become the largest expense at most airlines.

AMR Corp.'s American Airlines said it will slash U.S. seating capacity by 12 per cent, in part by retiring more than 100 planes and ending "thousands" of jobs. UAL Corp.'s United Airlines has said it will cut 1,100 jobs as it trims flying.


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Add another to the list:


Continental Airlines to cut 3,000 jobs, capacity
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Posted: 2008-06-05 08:21:36
DALLAS (AP) - Continental Airlines Inc. said Thursday it is cutting 3,000 jobs and reducing capacity in the fourth quarter by 11 percent, citing record fuel costs that have pushed the airline industry into a "crisis."

The company also said Chairman and Chief Executive Lawrence Kellner and President Jeff Smisek will not take salaries or incentive pay for the rest of the year.

The job cuts represent about 6.5 percent of the company's work force of 45,000.

Houston-based Continental said it will begin pulling back on flights in September, when departures on its mainline operations will be about 16 percent below the numbers of September 2007. For the year, capacity will fall 11 percent.

CEO Kellner will give up part of a hefty compensation package. In 2007, his salary was $712,500, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Kellner got a $3.3 million incentive payment, stock and options grants that the company valued at nearly $1.94 million when they were issued in February 2007, and $45,196 in other compensation.

Continental becomes the latest airline to make major cuts as the carriers try to cope with record high fuel prices, which have nearly doubled in the past year and pushed Continental to a loss of $80 million in the first quarter.

Continental officials did not immediately respond to calls for more comment. In a statement, the company said it plans to offer details on flight and destination reductions and eliminations by the end of next week.

Fewer flights will also mean fewer planes. By the end of the second quarter, Continental will operate 375 mainline aircraft and it plans to mothball 67 planes through 2009.

The company said that several fare increases have not been enough to offset the rising cost of fuel. Continental estimates it will spend $2.3 billion more this year than last.

"These actions are among many steps Continental is taking to respond to record-high fuel prices as the industry faces its worst crisis since 9/11," the company said in a statement.

Continental becomes the latest airline to make sharp cutbacks.

On Wednesday, UAL Corp.'s United Airlines , the nation's No. 2 carrier, announced it would cut up to 1,100 more jobs, ground 70 airplanes and drop its coach-only service, named Ted. Two weeks ago, AMR Corp.'s American Airlines, the nation's largest airline, said it would cut capacity 11 percent to 12 percent after the peak summer travel season and probably eliminate thousands of jobs, though it hasn't given a figure.

Some analysts have called on U.S. carriers to shrink about 20 percent to cut spending on fuel and labor. Industry executives say that would also drive up fares as passengers compete for fewer seats in the air. It could also mean the reduction or elimination of service to some smaller airports.
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United Airlines said Wednesday that it's cutting up to 1,100 more jobs, removing 100 fuel-guzzling airplanes from its fleet and slashing domestic capacity as it tries to cope with spiralling fuel prices. The No. 2 U.S. carrier said it plans to cut an additional 900 to 1,100 salaried, contract and management employees by the end of the year, in addition to 500 previously announced job reductions. Officials said the ``aggressive'' moves are designed to the help the subsidiary of UAL Corp. weather an ``unprecedented fuel environment.'' Crude oil futures prices peaked at a record above US$135 a barrel nearly two weeks ago and airline fuel prices have been rocketing higher as well.

``This environment demands that we and the industry act decisively and responsibly,'' Glenn Tilton, United's chairman, president and CEO, said in a statement. ``At United, we continue to do the right work to reduce costs and increase revenue to respond to record fuel costs and the challenging economic environment.''

United said it plans to ground its entire fleet of 94 Boeing B737s as well as six of the company's 747s _ its oldest and least fuel-efficient planes. It is also scrapping it's coach-only ``Ted'' service and reconfiguring those planes to include first-class seats.

And the Chicago-based carrier will cut mainline domestic capacity by 17 to 18 per cent in 2009, while also scaling back international capacity by four to five per cent. ``The decision to dramatically reduce our capacity profile, particularly in the domestic marketplace, while over time eliminating a fleet type, is a significant step leading to a more effective and efficient operating fleet for United in the years ahead, while improving our customer experience and reliability,'' Chief Operating Officer John Tague said in a statement. (Source: The Associated Press)

Lufthansa Chief Executive Wolfgang Mayrhuber said persistent high fuel costs had cut the scope for the carrier to outperform last year's operating result, Die Welt reported on Wednesday. Higher ticket prices for passengers were inevitable if fuel prices stay at current high levels, Mayrhuber told the newspaper in an interview published on Wednesday. The CEO added the carrier would monitor developments in airline consolidation. "We can take a very active role in consolidation, if we want," Mayrhuber was quoted as saying. (Source: Reuters)

Spirit Airlines employees were notified that the low-fare carrier could be headed for hundreds of layoffs in the next two months as it struggles with soaring fuel costs, according to a report in The Miami Herald. Letters went out Saturday to union leaders indicating that up to 60% of flight attendants (448) and 45% of pilots (242) could be out of work by Aug. 1 as the airline closes its New York LaGuardia and San Juan bases and scales back its operation in Fort Lauderdale. (Source: Air Transport World)

European airlines are struggling to fill their planes and may ground unused aircraft next winter, the Association of European Airlines (AEA) said on Tuesday. The warning follows one on Monday from the International Air Transport Association (IATA) that the global airline industry is set to report losses this year possibly as high as USD$6.1 billion. The AEA, which represents 33 airlines, warned on the north Atlantic market -- a key source of revenues for big European carriers such as British Airways, Air France-KLM and Lufthansa.

"Clearly, economic conditions are taking their toll in the marketplace as the global slowdown and the credit crunch impact business confidence and travel volumes, while resurgent inflation is severely affecting discretionary income," it said.

Its members increased overall traffic by 1 percent in April versus last year, but north Atlantic routes were down 2.7 percent and traffic on European domestic routes declined 1.6 percent. April load factors fell 2.7 percentage points to 74.8 percent, said the AEA, whose members carry 346 million passengers a year on 2,540 planes. The group said a number of routes were making no profit, with little chance of redeploying the planes elsewhere, raising the possibility of groundings next winter.

"A number of airlines, in Europe and elsewhere, have already signaled that they could make substantial capacity cutbacks once the summer flying program is completed, pointing to the possibility that traffic growth may evaporate altogether," it said a statement.

IATA said in its annual report on Monday that a combination of high fuel prices, a US economic downturn and accelerated deliveries of aircraft ordered at the peak of the economic cycle but delivered during the slowdown meant the outlook for 2008 was "clouded by the perfect storm". The AEA was not the first to signal malaise on transatlantic routes. American Airlines said last month it would end service between New York's JFK Airport and London's Stansted Airport as part of a wider plan to cut capacity to better cope with high fuel prices. Last week Silverjet became the third business class-only airline flying between London and New York to collapse. (Source: Reuters)

Two of China's major airlines plan to cut back flights on certain loss-making long-haul international routes to reduce costs as they confront high oil prices, an airline executive and state media said on Tuesday. China Eastern Airlines will cut back flights on some loss-making international routes but will execute the plan gradually to avoid significant reductions on any individual routes, an executive with the carrier said. "Demand on some long-haul international routes has been weak and it is difficult not to lose money," said the executive, who asked not to be identified. He gave no details. China Eastern operates 467 air routes, including 98 international routes, with 6,275 regular flights weekly, according its 2007 financial report.

China Southern Airlines will cut services on more than 20 international routes, including flights to Los Angeles, Paris and Singapore, the official Shanghai Securities News said, citing a source close to the carrier. Chinese airlines have been losing money on several long-haul routes due to a lack of global networks and inadequate cost controls, compounded by surging oil prices, analysts said. (Source: Reuters)
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Re: Hang on Boys and Girls

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It looks like those instructing jobs that everyone scoffs at will be highly sought after. Pay should be good for them. And thus, the cycle begins....again.
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I suspect that ACPA will approach the company (AC) for some sort of job-sharing agreement, which should ease the pain for some.
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Rebel wrote:I suspect that ACPA will approach the company (AC) for some sort of job-sharing agreement, which should ease the pain for some.
Care to elaborate?
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