Do you read the TC Aviation Safety Letter?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:26 pm

As most of you are aware I no longer fly in Canada to earn a living due to my situation with Transport Canada, specifically the because the lack of moral conscience displayed the Director General Civil Aviation in his handling of the missuse of power against me and my company by several of TC's Regional Managers.

However that does not negate my desire to be part of aviation to some degree when I am in fact home in Canada.

I would like to take the opportunity to strongly recommend that everyone of you read the last issue of TC's Aviation Safety Letter.

Under the guidance of one of our colleauges who posts here as CD this news letter has improved to the point that I believe it is a must read for all of us.

This edition is excellent and very well thought out and written, I especially urge you to read the story of the 180 degree turn back attempt, very thought provoking, very fairly written and a must read for all of us.

There is also some thought provoking items regarding safety briefings for commercial float plane operators. I have often wondered if there is a better way to grab the attention of float plane passengers other than a hurried spiel as you are attempting to cast off from the dock and keep a sched....maybe there could be a recorded safety message in the waiting room that the passengers could listen to while waiting to go to the dock and board the airplane? I believe that the message would have more imprint on their subconsious memory banks during the waiting period, rather than in the rush to get going at the dock.

Good on you CD, you are living proof that the system can be beneficial to the end user and that there are people who really deserve to be respected in TC.

. .......... AKA Cat Driver....

grouchy · Post by **grouchy** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 6:09 pm

Cat how ya doin?
I have stopped reading the safety letter since the blame seems to be put squarely on the shoulders of the pilots and doesn't seem in my opinion to reflect the fact that there are other circumstances to most accidents. I suppose it IS our fault that an accident occurs simply because we got in the airplane.
Case in point was the newsletter article about the Bearskin 99 at Pik. I might be totally wrong on this one but how did the replacement fo get nominated for pic of that aircraft when he or she was flying from the right seat and just because of a higher seniority number in the company. All the blame was put on that pilot and no mention was made of what the company was doing dispatching that pilot in the first place. Actually I thought there would have been some disscusion about that newsletter on here but since I just got out of jail

I havent been posting lately so there might have been.
All said any info about an accident is good but the slant seems to be anti pilot.

Switchfoot · Post by **Switchfoot** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 6:15 pm

Any reading that you can learn from is good reading. Especially when it concerns aviation. I've found the TC safety letters very informative and read them thoroughly when they arrive with the AIP installments (on a side note, did anyone catch mention that they are changing the AIP and calling it the AIM....basically the same information in a different format)?!

Anyways, the safety letters are a good read and I will continue to use them for my own sake and as long as I teach, for some good discussions on human factors.

Keep 'em coming.

talkinghead · Post by **talkinghead** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 6:22 pm

Grouchy
I have to agree with you, the news letter seems to be very very hesitant to talk about anything except what SAID pilot or pilots did wrong.

(By-the-way I read it from front to back, everytime)

FamilyGuy · Post by **FamilyGuy** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:32 pm

I have every Safety letter going all the way back to the late 80's in a set of binders. Interesting reading that I go through every once in a while. Yes they tend to "blame the pilot" but I read them for experiences of others and draw my own conclusions. I love the catch phrase and used it with all my students/newbies - "Learn from the mistake of others - you won't live long enough to make them all yourself" HEY didn't they "soften" that up recently??? I'll hafta go look now.

CD · Post by CD » Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:41 pm

Cat Driver wrote:Under the guidance of one of our colleauges who posts here as CD this news letter has improved to the point that I believe it is a must read for all of us...

Actually, I can't claim any credit for the ASL.

However, I also think that Paul is doing a very good job.

They have posted copies of the Letters online going back to 2000 for anyone who is interested:

Aviation Safety Letter

Vickers vanguard · Post by **Vickers vanguard** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:32 pm

I read them every time, problem is....they're not issued often enough!
they usually cover accidents/incidents that took place only in Canada, while there are hundreds of examples from around the world that could be used.
TC has also what they call " the Maintainer" which is also an excellent publication that contains valuable info to everybody involved in the operation of an aircraft. It will be very beneficial if that was to be blended with the safety letter.
I suggest that everybody in this business, take some time and visit websites of government bodies in charge of investigating aviation occurrences around the world...on top of the Canadian TSB of course. The database in most of these websites go back to the early 90's and contains a tremendous amount of information.

By the way, when there is an incident/accident...........99% of the time, it is Human fault. pilot screw it, mechanic screw it, manager screw it and then pilot screw it again by letting the manager screw him. the rest are contributing factors!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:36 pm

Hmmmm.... Oh well CD, I thought it was you .........

From reading your contributions to these forums here in Canada I somehow thought you were the guy doin the Safety thing....

So we will applaud Paul...good job there Paul..

Is it O.K. with you CD if I personally think of you as an asset to TC and by default to us?

Even if I was wrong about you being the safety guy?

Cat

Guest 1969 · Post by **Guest 1969** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:59 pm

Cat Driver,

I enjoy reading your post because I have seen a lot of BS from TC myself. Hard to believe you are praising them although the message is a good one.

I thought this accident once again showed how Transport Canada and there ideas of who is fit to teach another pilot to fly once again was the real reason for this accident.

This is a great example of an inexperienced pilot trying to teach someone else while still learning to fly. The hours he/she had were just enough for this type of thing to happen - getting used to the machine after 100 hours on floats and only 500 total time and thinking he/she can now handle anything.

(I thought you would have commented on this Cat as I have read your posts on training issues before).

Guest 1969

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:11 am

I'd have to disagree with . for the most part. I understand that he has read one article in the latest edition that he feels was informative and well written, however one article does not a good publication make (IMHO).

All too often the publication contains articles that are poorly written, irrelevant, opinionated, or just outright incorrect. Numerous articles are just reruns of the same old topic. If I see one more article on CFIT, ... well anyway you get the picture.

In the latest issue, there are at least 2 articles that are outright incorrect, and therefore do not offer any insight or real relevance regarding the subject material.

Once in a while the National Inquirer gets a story right, but it doesn't spur me to subscribe.

talkinghead · Post by **talkinghead** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:21 am

hornblower,
You are going to have to fill us in, What 2 articles are "outright incorrect"?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:03 am

"Cat Driver,

I enjoy reading your post because I have seen a lot of from TC myself. Hard to believe you are praising them although the message is a good one. "

I strive to raise the level of professionalism and thought by being the most aggressive poster on Avcanada.

My reason for the position that I took with the latest Safety Letter was to try and help TC in their effort to educate us the great unwashed out here in the real world.

I believe that the guy in charge of these safety letters has improved the content.

I also believe that we must have a regulator otherwise we will work in complete chaos and really be at the mercy of crimminals who have the money to operate air services....so by posting something positive about TC I " KNOW " that a lot of you will jump on the bandwagon and disect this subject.

Paul Marquis is working at a disadvantage in that he has to tow the line that his masters have around his neck....Paul is our employee and we have the obligation to guide him and ensure that his message is benificial to the industry and reflects the truth......

He seems to be missing the mark big time with the training story on the front page....but you guys did not...

Of course the problem is systemic stupidity on the part of the people in the back rooms of TC who have only one agenda which is protect the status quo, at all costs...including turning a blind eye ro reality...which is the fact that flying training and the manner in which it is regulated is a joke...

So now troops you know why I started this.....

But remember we "MUST "have allies within TC if we are to improve our lot.....

Paul and CD will not disagree with me on that one..you can count on it.

Cat

phatboy · Post by **phatboy** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:20 am

i never read them.....they were interesting when I had 300 hours...now I just . em..

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:29 am

jeeses phatboy, even now that you have 301 hours maybe you should still read something about flying...

It might improve your mental vacuum.

Cat

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:58 am

At the risk of being on-topic, the turnback maneuver is aerodynamically possible, but due to the low level of stick & rudder skills present in the pilot population, generally not a good idea.

Click on:

http://web.usna.navy.mil/~dfr/flying/possible.html

I personally have demonstrated a successful turnback from 400 AGL. Believe it or not, runway length (and headwind) is the major factor to success.

FamilyGuy · Post by **FamilyGuy** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:14 am

Jeseez, we're not gonna start talking about downwind turns again are we

phatboy · Post by **phatboy** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:03 pm

you crack me up Cat.....please..please tell us some more great stories..

PHAT

The hardest part of flying is listening to war stories from guys like Cat

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:11 pm

Please don't let on to everyone here that I am a wannabe phatboy.

The best idea for you is to get them to follow your stories.

Hell maybe you can teach me something about flying that would improve my career chances?

Cat

Vickers vanguard · Post by **Vickers vanguard** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:03 pm

the topic started by Cat should have been of high interest to everybody in this forum. Safety issues are always a priority in aviation. Unfortunately as I have noticed in the last months since I joined this forum, very few people seemed to be interested in the subject........and some even managed to post things like....I have 300 hours,bla,bla,bla...even if you had 30,000 hours.....super-pilot!
Looking at most of the issues raised on this forum, you can quickly see that the topics that receive most of our members' attention are in this order:

1- Anything that deals with the opposite sex.....most of the time,
mundane subjects or no interest and no educational benefit.

2- Bashing against operators...although a healthy subject and very usefull
for pilots looking for work, it usually goes like this: screw him,screw you
screw her, screw you again,....etc......

and the list is long before you actually get to the real aviation subjects...

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:38 pm

What makes it even more important is the fact that I have tried to give credit to people in TC who it would be in our benefit to work with.

It really is troubling at the lack of professionalism shown by far to many here, maybe that is part of the root problem between the industry and the availiable pilot pool?

And one more thing I get really fed up with this constant belittling of our female colleauges, God Damn it you f.ckin morons a public forum is not the place for such unfair slagging of other pilots just because they happen to be women.

I hope enough of the women identify you so you will never get to share a normal relationship with them.

Cat

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:42 pm

Cat Driver wrote: a normal relationship with [women]

Cat?.... please define that?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:42 pm

Well if you show them that you admire them and don't need to belittle them unfairly you might get laid, and that to me is normal.

Then again I might have stepped into water that is to deep for me with this subject so maybe I should stick to flying?

Jesses now I have probbly ailenated both sides.

Cat

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:54 pm

Cat Driver wrote: Then again I might have stepped into water that is to deep for me with this subject so maybe I should stick to flying?
Cat

Mr. Driver, what subject is it that you are in too deep ... The Aviation Safety Letter, or Getting laid?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:58 pm

Getting laid.

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 4:06 pm

Cat Driver wrote:Getting laid.

Does that mean you get lots and are no good at it, or can't get any??

You're quite funny you know, maybe you should try stand up comedy instead of aviation. Lets see now, ... a subject for your routine, ... hmmm, ... TC!

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