Odd jet sighting over Southern Ontario

[Matthew]

Yesterday (Oct. 31st) I was drawn outside by the unmistakable sound of a turbojet engine...

...and saw what I believe was a MiG-15 flying overhead. The aircraft was light grey with aux. wing tanks. The giveaway on the type was the divider in the engine intake, Once I saw that I knew it wasn't an F-86 which would have been more believable.

I wish I had my camera! The pilot did three steep left handers overhead at about 1000 - 1500 AGL before departing to the west. An increadible sight!

This took place about 20 miles south of CFB Borden in Southern Ontario at around 11:00 am EST.

Anyone know anything about this plane or saw it too? There can't be too many MiG -15's cruising about in Canada.

Matt.

[C-FABH]

Anybody else on the line with NORAD to scramble the jets?

[Rudy]

A Fagot in southern Ontario? No....

[BibleMonkey]

Those E-Bay jet buyers must have finally got them rolling...

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[DanJ]

The last few years of the YXU airshow had a MIG-15 as a regular visitor, and I don't recall that it was actually from a foreign Air Force. Must be some private owner with one kicking around.

[Pratt X 3]

It is based at the north end of CYYZ. The owner also has one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_TS-11_Iskra

[C-GPFG]

Along with a Bell 222 and C414?, the owner has a L29 Delfin (not PZL TS11) and Mig 15 based at YYZ. Probably his, and I'm extremely jealous.

[robbreid]

It's flown by Jeff Lewis and based in the Chartright hangar at Torbram and Derry Rd. at YYZ.

N15LC FAA registry it is US Registered.

Photo from Airliners.net

I also last saw it two or three days ago landing at YYZ, late afternoon.

[portsatc]

you probably did see a mig. I work the radar in that airspace and though i wasn't working yesterday I have worked a mig doing airwork in that area before. Not sure who it belongs to but atleast you know that you don't have to go get your eyes checked.

[Matthew]

It's flown by Jeff Lewis and based in the Chartright hangar at Torbram and Derry Rd. at YYZ.

N15LC FAA registry it is US Registered.

Photo from Airliners.net

I also last saw it two or three days ago landing at YYZ, late afternoon.

That's the one!

Thanks guys, how would I have got the answer without this forum

Cheers, Matt.

PS, if anyone talks to this guy, tell him to go a little lower next time soos I can get a better look.....lol.

[all_ramped_up]

*looks out window*

Yup, that's the one.

[Vipernorth]

Yes - we were out flying our Mig 15. To squash any rumors, we have the Mig 15UTI, L-29 Delfin (RR Viper powered), Bell 222B, and a couple of Cessna 150s. The C-421B and BE-55 Baron have been sold.

Also - the Fagot comment above is not correct. The NATO name for the Mig 15-UTI (2 seat version) is Midget.

We fly quite often, so if anyone wants to know when we're going out - send me a Private Message and I'll let you know. We'll be moving the aircraft home to the US in the next couple of weeks.

[nookie201]

Yes - we were out flying our Mig 15. To squash any rumors, we have the Mig 15UTI, L-29 Delfin (RR Viper powered), Bell 222B, and a couple of Cessna 150s. The C-421B and BE-55 Baron have been sold.

Also - the Fagot comment above is not correct. The NATO name for the Mig 15-UTI (2 seat version) is Midget.

We fly quite often, so if anyone wants to know when we're going out - send me a Private Message and I'll let you know. We'll be moving the aircraft home to the US in the next couple of weeks.

Interesting, There's an L-29 In Brantford as well, related ?

G

[Vipernorth]

There is a stock L-29 at Brantford. It's not related to our operation.

[bmc]

What's the fuel burn per hour on that Mig?

That must be a giggle to drive.

[Hedley]

The MiG-15 uses a "borrowed" nene-10 engine - same
as in the ol' T-33. It's an ancient centrifugal-flow, which
I would guess is going to burn around 200 gph in moderate
cruise at moderate altitude.

Compare that to say the much more modern L-39 which
burns 120 gph at only 17,500.

[Vipernorth]

The Fuel Burns on our 2 aircraft are as follows:

Mig 15UTI: As a centrifugal flow, single spool engine, altitude does not greatly affect the fuel burn. The aircraft burns approx 350 g/hr.

The L-29 with the RR Viper Engine: As an axial flow turbojet, fuel flow is dependant on altitude. In ground idle, the engine burns 70 g/hr. Sea Level Full Power, 340 g/hr. Sea Level 90% is 220g/hr. 20,000' 87% is 160 g/hr.

In comparison, the L-39 has a burn of approx 150 g/hr. The only reason I don't have an L-39 is that they are a dime-a-dozen and you see them everywhere ! Doesnt appeal to me !

Keep in mind that neither aircraft has an endurance of much more than 1 hour.

[Hedley]

The only reason I don't have an L-39 is that they are a dime-a-dozen and you see them everywhere!

Yeah, I know what you mean, I saw twelve of them last week.

They're all over the place in Canada. No one even looks up
when you fly by, or talks to you when you park one on the
ramp, because everyone knows what they are.

You might as well fly a 172.

[MichaelP]

Rolls Royce Canada once got a load of Chinese engines for overhaul, except for the metric threads they were Nenes.

I understand that in the Korean war the American and Russian jet aircraft had basically the same engines, derived from the Nene.

[Hedley]

Yes, that was very gentlemanly of the Brits, to give
the Russians that help.

http://www.4to40.com/encyclopedia/print.asp?id=37

By 1946, Soviet designers were finding it impossible to perfect the German-designed HeS-011 axial-flow jet engine, and new airframe designs from Mikoyan were threatening to outstrip development of the jet engines needed to power them. Soviet aviation minister Mikhail Khrunichev and aircraft designer Alexander Sergeyevich Yakovlev suggested to Joseph Stalin that the USSR buy advanced jet engines from the British. Stalin is said to have replied: "What fool will sell us his secrets?"

However, he gave his assent to the proposal and Artem Mikoyan, engine designer Vladimir Klimov, and others traveled to the United Kingdom to request the engines. To Stalin's amazement, the British Labour government and its pro-Soviet Minister of Trade, Sir Stafford Cripps, were perfectly willing to provide technical information and a license to manufacture the Rolls-Royce Nene centrifugal-flow jet engine, a move which even Russian sources have mocked. This engine was reverse-engineered and produced as the Soviet Klimov RD-45 jet engine, subsequently incorporated into the MiG-15. (Rolls-Royce later attempted to claim £207 million in license fees, but without success.)