The TC price of breaking the approach ban, hitting a fence

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The TC price of breaking the approach ban, hitting a fence

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When you do this:
Date: 2007/05/15
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: International Aviation
Narrative: UPDATE from TSB Daily Notification Log Occurrence Summary A07O0119: The Silk Way Airlines Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft, registration 4K-AZ41, operating as flight AZQ4992, was on an ILS approach to runway 24 at the Trenton Air Force Base in Trenton, Ontario. The weather at the time was reported as one half mile in fog, vertical visibility 500 feet, RVR 600, temperature and dew point 12 degrees celsius and the wind was 210 at 06 knots. The aircraft struck the airport perimeter fence with the main landing gear and briefly touched down on the left main landing gear approximately 430 feet from the threshold of runway 24. The flight crew aborted the landing and applied engine power. The aircraft climbed to 3000 feet asl and entered a hold at this altitude. After approximately one hour it diverted to the Ottawa/MacDonald-Cartier airport. Ottawa tower was contacted by Trenton and advised of the incoming aircraft and that it had struck the fence on approach. Ottawa tower called out ARFF as a precaution. The AZQ 4992 flight crew did not declare an emergency. The aircraft landed uneventfully and taxied to the local FBO. ARFF followed the aircraft and assisted the crew in removing the barbed wire that was wrapped around the left main landing gear. After a period of time the aircraft took off from Ottawa and arrived in Trenton where the onboard cargo was offloaded. TSB, Transport Canada, and the Canadian Forces Directorate of Flight Safety (DFS) were notified of the event. DFS will be the lead in the investigation with TSB participating and providing support. Examination of the aircraft revealed substantial damage to the underside of the fuselage as a result of the impact with the fence. The TSB have made this occurrence an accident since it had substantial damage.
You get this:
Corporation:
Silk Way Airlines

Date: Count(s): Violation: Penalty: Location:
2007/05/11
1
CAR 602.01
$5 000
Trenton, Ont.
2007/05/11
1
CAR 700.10(3)
$3 750
Trenton, Ont.

The Company operated an aircraft in such a reckless or negligent manner as to endanger or be likely to endanger the life or property of any person; specifically, the Company operated an aircraft with known damages resulting from hitting a fence on an overshoot.

The Company continued a CAT I precision approach in an IFR aircraft when the visibility was less than the minimum required visibility specified in the approach bans.
But then again, according to some people here, "shit happens".
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Image

!! that thing is a monster
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But it looks like a happy monster. :mrgreen:
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I think they had an emergency in progress- running dangerously low on Vodka.
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Wow! Those guys could make good bush-pilots! :mrgreen:
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Aren't those aircraft designed with a "trench crossing" limitation? Since they're usually designed to operate off of unimproved battlefields, said fence was probably within its "maximum obstacle running over limitation". :wink:
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They didn't break the appch ban, the vis allowed them to conduct the appch regardless of RVR values in this case. In fact they had twice the legal vis required to shoot the ILS. 1/4 SM required if RVR is below 1200.
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Taking into account the load such an aircraft must be able to carry, and how much profit such a load could give to the operator, I guess the fine is only a small cost to doing business...
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Sorry Tim but those are the old rules. Now RVR is limiting regardless of reported vis or vise a verca. Unless they were doing a cat III or the pilot reported localized phenomenon they broke the approach ban limitations. There is let as well for private operators but I do not believe they would fall into this category. If I'm wrong please let me know.
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I believe this accident also cost Silk Way their airlift contract with the CF.

So yes it was quite costly.
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600 RVR would that not be considered VFR in St .John's
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Amateur Turbines wrote:Sorry Tim but those are the old rules. Now RVR is limiting regardless of reported vis or vise a verca. Unless they were doing a cat III or the pilot reported localized phenomenon they broke the approach ban limitations. There is let as well for private operators but I do not believe they would fall into this category. If I'm wrong please let me know.

CAR 601.129(4)(d)
(4) Where the RVR is reported to be less than the minimum RVR set out in subsection (2) or (3), as applicable, no person shall continue an instrument approach in an IFR aircraft unless

(d) the RVR is less than the minimum RVR, and the ground visibility at the aerodrome where the runway is located is reported to be at least one quarter of a mile

Also in the cap gen.


2R, not only would it be considered VFR, it's what's known as a 'grand day'.
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That reg from the cap gen is only for general aviation. For commercial operators the RVR rules, regardless of the ground vis. The only way you can ignore the RVR is if it is fluctuating above and below limits. Or you could shoot an approach on a different runway (one without an RVR).
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Which do you think was higher, the fine, or the replacement cost of the perimeter fence in Trenton?
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jackrabbit wrote:That reg from the cap gen is only for general aviation. For commercial operators the RVR rules, regardless of the ground vis. The only way you can ignore the RVR is if it is fluctuating above and below limits. Or you could shoot an approach on a different runway (one without an RVR).
Just to make it clear for me. If I'm flying an airplane for my own purposes (for fun) the approach ban is not in affect?
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1200 RVR is your approach ban then. (the old rule)
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Jeeze my bad, I forgot about the next page in the cap gen...

Is centre allowed to authorize the appch in that case? Or if you say I wanna do it they say go ahead.
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The pilot sits so high that he misjudges the height of the wheels.
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Tim wrote:
Jeeze my bad, I forgot about the next page in the cap gen...

Is centre allowed to authorize the appch in that case? Or if you say I wanna do it they say go ahead.
Centre or even tower for that matter wont tell you or give you any restrictions if the approach ban is in use, actually some places they dont even know what the approach ban is.
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And approach ban is not something we have in the military. The military controller most likely didn't even know what an approach ban was...
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