Jumpseat Priority

[Crankit]

Hey Jazz Captains if a flight attendant has a c1 pass this does not give them priority over Pilots, AC or Jazz for the Jump. Just to clarify because it happened and should not have!!!!!!
The order of priority
Pilots (Jazz, A/C)
Flight Attendants
Company

[mattedfred]

C1, C2, C3, C4 or C5 doesn't change the flight deck list if you are talking about actually sitting in the jumpseat

if you are talking about the OAL Flight Deck Coupon program then that may be different

[countryhick]

Crankit, you are correct, C1 does not affect jumpseat, but check your COM for the correct order.

KB

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Maybe she was hot and in a skirt.

[countryhick]

That trumps everything of course!!

[Crankit]

The point that im trying to make is Pilots first regardless of any c1's c2's etc etc. dont care about the rest who's after Pilots. Again flt attendant's dont go before us regardless of what kind of pass they are holding. Coupon is just a coupon that has to filled out no matter who it is requesting jump.

[countryhick]

Not going to post it here for obvious reasons, but if you are a Jazz pilot, check your COM for the jumpseat priority. We do not get involved in C1/C2/Cwhatever, that applies to open seats in the back, and thats for the agents to follow. We follow the jumpseat priority listed in the COM.

KB

[Full Ins]

The point that im trying to make is Pilots first regardless

Not necessarily, as others said, check the COM list.

[flyinhigh]

Sorry, read your com.

Our is ALL jazz employees
Pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, joe blow.

Than on to main line folks.

In easier terms, company personnel regardless of the position get the seat before anyone else.

As far as I know, main line is the same. Jazz folks are the bottom of the list, regarless of the type of pass.

I take it you got left behind cause some flight attendant got the seat over you, but your a PILOT.

[BLZD1]

AC has the same policy as JAZZ.

AC Pilots, AC FAs, AC Joe blows and then Jazz people. Straight out of AC FOM.

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AC has the same policy as JAZZ.

AC Pilots, AC FAs, AC Joe blows and then Jazz people. Straight out of AC FOM.

Joe blows is a bad term. It's not like the ramp guys can get into the Physical Jump seat. It's only a very very select few employee groups, and then only for training or fam flights that can sit in the J/S. You're pretty safe to say just pilots and F/A's.

[Pratt]

Yes, any Jazz employee is on the list for being eligible.

Only pilots and F/A's on the mainline list?

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Yes, any Jazz employee is on the list for being eligible.

Only pilots and F/A's on the mainline list?

There are other groups that are allowed in during special circumstances. As a General rule, you need the red pass to sit in the jumpseat.

[countryhick]

Or a company issued ID.

[bcflyer]

Yes, any Jazz employee is on the list for being eligible.

Only pilots and F/A's on the mainline list?

There are other groups that are allowed in during special circumstances. As a General rule, you need the red pass to sit in the jumpseat.

Don't rampies have a red pass?

[Stan_Cooper]

Don't rampies have a red pass?

Yeah, not many rampies in the system are Jazz employees though.

[Canoehead]

Rampies don't have a 'Red Pass'. Red passes are for Aircrew.
The only Air Canada employees permitted in the J/S of a Jazz flight deck are AC pilots and F/A's. If Montie wanted a J/S, he would need special authorization from the VP Flt Ops, and he would need to load up on Advil (for the headache he'd have by the end of the trip after listening to us chew him out for obvious reasons).

Crankit, I'm assuming you are an AC driver. If there was an F/A given the J/S ahead of you, she/he was a Jazz F/A. If you were given some line about being on a C1 pass, then someone fed you bad info. The J/S in the flight deck only is ruled by the COM list of priority, and the Captain's discretion. Unfortunately, many agents are unfamiliar with the rules (especially AC agents), and some Captains are not 100% on the rules either. That's why I (just a lowly F/O) make it a point to know the rules so I can help the skipper make a correct decision.

FWIW, you will always get a thumbs-up from me (as many Capts ask me for my 'OK') for a J/S, provided the list has been followed correctly

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Rampies don't have a 'Red Pass'. Red passes are for Aircrew.
The only Air Canada employees permitted in the J/S of a Jazz flight deck are AC pilots and F/A's. If Montie wanted a J/S, he would need special authorization from the VP Flt Ops, and he would need to load up on Advil (for the headache he'd have by the end of the trip after listening to us chew him out for obvious reasons).

Crankit, I'm assuming you are an AC driver. If there was an F/A given the J/S ahead of you, she/he was a Jazz F/A. If you were given some line about being on a C1 pass, then someone fed you bad info. The J/S in the flight deck only is ruled by the COM list of priority, and the Captain's discretion. Unfortunately, many agents are unfamiliar with the rules (especially AC agents), and some Captains are not 100% on the rules either. That's why I (just a lowly F/O) make it a point to know the rules so I can help the skipper make a correct decision.

FWIW, you will always get a thumbs-up from me (as many Capts ask me for my 'OK') for a J/S, provided the list has been followed correctly

That's all bang on. The various ramp positions have either a purple or blue pass. Red passes are either for Pilots or Flight Attendants.

[stickyfoot]

Read the COM (Company Operations Manual) it is laid out clear as day. Im not going to quote it, but the long and short of it is. Jazz company people, Pilots, Fa, then the rest, any one from rampies, to groomers to aircraft towers. Then AC pilots fa, and down the list.

But we can also say no one in our jump seat. but we can't deny a Jazz pilot, then accept a flight attendant.

All this talk about purple passes and blue and Red passes.

Any one on the secure side needs either a Red Pass (RAIC), or a yellow, (search required) or a green (escort required). But every airpor has thier own set of rules for this. Its a gong show on the best of days!

SF

[TAT]

In reality it is the Captains decision who he takes in the F/D. However, memories carry on... its best to stick to the company ops... Ive been hearing quite the bit of issues related to the flight deck with respect to AC/JAZZ i think we all need to stop acting like children and keep things professional. Recently a Jazz captain denied a jumpseat to AC pilot because he wasn't french! Nice!

[mattedfred]

In reality it is the Captains decision who he takes in the F/D. However, memories carry on... its best to stick to the company ops

actually the only decision the Captain can make in this regard is if the jumpseat can be occupied at all, unless the jumpseater is required to be there i.e. line check, TC inspector carrying out their duties

and you SHALL stick to the COM unless you feel that it would be unsafe to do so

[Buzz Lightyear]

Hey guys,

Can anyone of you check next time he/she flies if Air Creebec is on the jump-seat authorized companies? I know we have the jump-seat agreement with AC (and the passes) but so far it didn't include the cockpit. I heard that we've made arrangements so that we can be on the cockpit jumpseat list with Jazz (and maybe AC) but not sure if your list has been updated.

Anyway, if you have a minute to spare the info would be appreciated.

Danke

[Bae146]

Even if you are on the "Jumpseat List" agrement it does not allow you to ride in the Jumpseat. With your jumpseat coupon you will be awarded a seat in the back if the plane is not full.

The only people allow in the cockpit are :

MOT
Mechanic (require to perform a duty during the flight)
Pilots and FA's (Jazz)
Pilots and FA's (AC)

That's it...no gate agent or bagage handler or people from other compagnies...

[mattedfred]

your on the latest OAL list on the ALPA website but that only means that you can sit in the back if a seat is empty. you aren't able to actually occupy the jumpseat.

[DNRFA]

From the F/A manual, the flight dispatchers can also occupy the jumpseat.