No one "in between jobs"

[Changes in Latitudes]

While we have no doubt as to your abilities and experience (of course they don't) there are certain positions and types of applicants that we are not looking to hire.

They are:

Anyone without the experience listed above
Retired airline captains
Anyone between jobs

That is a new one on me. So for instance, an energetic chief pilot of a recently shut down airline applies for the position; s/he's not welcome?
I'm not feeling the reasoning.

"it's their job posting they can ask for whatever they want" - Isn't going to suffice, I would like to know the thought process.

[Rudy]

Which job is this? So they will only consider people that are currently employed? Hahaha. I guess it's human nature to want what you can't have.

[Mr. Jones]

This is for the Swiftjet posting. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=49747

I believe the reasoning is to avoid the slew of resumes from the not so energetic pilots that have been out of work for a relatively long period of time. These types of pilots have been typically overlooked already by everyone else hiring and probably for some valid reasons.

For this position I know for a fact that you must meet the minimum requirements of 5000 TT and 1000 Jet PIC. Of course like every other job posting, if you are interested, write a great cover letter summarizing your current applicable flight hours and relevant experience. Submit an up to date resume and see what happens. I write the last couple of points because there are a lot of people applying for positions like this that just don’t take the time to do submit a decent cover letter and resume. You typically have less than 2 minutes to make an impression on the person screening applicants.

This is a good gig with a new growing company based in Toronto.

[Pretend-A-Jet]

Wow, the kool-aid must taste great there too.

[Changes in Latitudes]

They're basically demanding that you leave an established position to join a relatively new company, operating in the fickle corporate niche while the entire planet suffers an economic downturn. If that isn't a gigantic leap of faith for a well-established jet-jockey, I'd like to see one.

It's like boarding the Queen Elizabeth II and saying "that lifeboat sure does look like a lot of fun, let's see how she handles the swells!". Throw your wife, kids, and labra-doodle puppy in there too because they are along for the ride.

I'm not saying this isn't a great company, I am simply commenting on the "leap of faith" factor here.

[EZFlyer]

I'm the guy that posted the job and hires the pilots, so I can give you some insight.

There are many resumes that arrive on my desk, and many pilots that call who are looking for a place to work until the airlines start hiring again or when they get called back to work from a furlough. I also have gotten many resumes from people that are on a 8 month or 1 year leave from their current position and want to fill their time with a different job.

To me, this seems like you are "between jobs". Granted, that could mean different things to different people. But from the resumes I'm getting it seems to be targetting what I want.

If there are any other suggestions that can better describe what I'm looking to hire then I will happily consider them.

Finally, I'm not saying you can't apply, I am just saying that you probably won't get hired.

[mattedfred]

with all do respect, in my experience most pilots with the experience that you are looking for and the salary that you are offering are usually already working at many of Canada's Regional, Charter, Cargo or International Airlines. if they aren't then they are most likely working in the corporate sector. your company has to offer something more than where they are currently working in order to entice them to resign. otherwise you would most likely be hearing from pilots that have been furloughed or recently returned from overseas contracts. every other applicant would most likely be the pilot that has the experience that you are looking for, has interviewed everywhere and hasn't been hired by anyone.

[The Orillia kid]

EZflyer, how many pilots are you looking at hiring for when you get the Diamond jet aircraft?
what sort of time will be required to fly one and when will you be hiring?

I am definitly interested in getting on one of those plane.

Pm me if you want.

[EZFlyer]

Mattedfred: We aren't looking for regional guys, we're looking for corporate. In Toronto a Captain on a mid sized corporate aircraft can earn anywhere between $65k - $80k a year.

OrilliaKid: 35, possibly more if we are busy. We will be posting job requirements the summer of 2010.

[just curious]

Actually MattFred,
Your rationale about corporate guys being where they want to be already have been true, last month. In YYC, that may not be so for all of them this month.

[Rudy]

In Toronto a Captain on a mid sized corporate aircraft can earn anywhere between $65k - $80k a year.

Stepping stone/retirement gig.

[. .]

In Toronto a Captain on a mid sized corporate aircraft can earn anywhere between $65k - $80k a year.

Stepping stone/retirement gig.

Yah that is pretty sad. I was making almost the top end of that figure flying a turboprop out of Toronto that's smaller than a falcon 20. A good friend of mine flies falcon's in Ontario, and he's making the top range of that salary in the right seat. Perhaps the salary is what's keeping away the applicants that you desire.

[xsbank]

That salary sucks. If that's the best you can do, good luck finding someone to stay.

If I had a chance to fly a Falcon, and that's all you would pay, I'd have to blow myself up.

Gang, corporate really isn't that lousy. If you get on with a reasonable owner, you can do quite well and probably work there for a long time not have to scratch and claw like you would at this job.

Don't bother.

[EZFlyer]

A lot of the comments I'm seeing here are very shortsighted. Nobody walks into a job and gets the highest pay possible. You have to consider the company potential, and your ability to keep your job. Having a job that gives you a 4% annual increase means that after 5 years someone starting at $75,000 will be paid over $91,000.

Pro Pilot Magazine does an annual survey, the average pay for a Falcon 20 Captain across the USA is $75,000. With the high being $101,000 and the low being $52,000. You can add the 20% difference between our dollar or not, regardless, I have never come across anybody that has started on a mid sized corporate jet getting paid over $100k a year.

I've seen it on a Larger jet, like the Challenger and Falcon 900, but nothing in the Falcon 20, Citation 3 etc.

Judging by the quality of resumes I've gotten from this website and others, it doesn't seem like we're out to lunch.

[Cat Driver]

Judging by the quality of resumes I've gotten from this website and others, it doesn't seem like we're out to lunch.

Pilots are not the brightest members of the working force, hell you can get your office flooded with applications to work for you even if you charge them to work for you.

So I wouldn't get to excited by how many resumes you got, offering a job on a jet is sort of like offering a free whore to sailors who have been at sea for months.

[EZFlyer]

HA! Pilots are a smarter group than you may think though.

Regarding the "in between jobs" comment, I only got 1 email from someone with a suggestion, and I updated the posting accordingly.

Thanks for all your input.

[Cat Driver]

HA! Pilots are a smarter group than you may think though.

Maybe, but compared to what other group?

[r22captain]

maybe one of these guys will apply

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=qben5MLmtXo

[EZFlyer]

Here's a question: How many of you guys here have hired pilots in the past? How many are ATPL?

[raven54]

EZ, the people on this site are THE experts. They know everything. You are WRONG, in all regards.
Actually, this site is poison, arguing with these dimwits is futile. Just post your ad, and don't bother reading these forums, you'll just get pissed off.

[wheelsdown]

EZFlyer - Why no retired airline captains?
Not looking to open another can of worms nor rip you a new - purely out of curiosity.

[Cat Driver]

Here's a question: How many of you guys here have hired pilots in the past?

I have hired many in the past.

How many are ATPL?

If holding a Canadian ATPL is a measure of ones ability, knowledge and worth the bar is rather low don't you think EZflyer?

I received my ATPL about 40 years ago what license did you hold then?

With all due respect to you I personally found the wording of your add regarding the groups you would not hire to be poorly thought out, and possibly offensive to a lot of good pilots.

[shimmydampner]

What a bunch of sensitive little sallies...I want to be sick. You whiners are cut from the same cloth as the religious nuts who complain about "offensive" material on TV or radio all the while forgetting they could just change the channel if they don't like it. Oh waaa, $80k to start isn't enough for me, boo hoo, they insulted retired people, I'm going to slag them on the internet. Don't like it? Don't apply. Just because it's not right for you doesn't mean it's not right for someone else and who are you to judge that. They can ask for and offer whatever they want, but nowhere in the ad did I read they were looking for your opinions on their hiring practices so you could do everyone a favour and keep them to yourselves since no one really likes to hear your bitching and moaning. When you're in the position to hire staff you can have low requirements and offer them the moon if you like.

[Rudy]

Is it even legal to discriminate against applicants based on if they have retired from an airline career, or are not currently employed? It would be hard to prove you weren't hired for those reasons but when it says so right in the job ad you might have a case.

....and who are you to judge that.

I'm a citizen of a country that values human rights and equality.

[raven54]

Is it even legal to discriminate against applicants based on if they have retired from an airline career, or are not currently employed? It would be hard to prove you weren't hired for those reasons but when it says so right in the job ad you might have a case.

....and who are you to judge that.

I'm a citizen of a country that values human rights and equality.

....aw christ. Here we go