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You know what I'm talking about!
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did you guys vote tonight?
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I know what it looks like but there actually is an explanation to it. There is a formula to move within the Steps but its pretty minimal man.
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5yr=X
Training outside the window=X
pay scales=X
wet lease=X
stock options=X

WTF is right! The beginning of the end is here.
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I thought it would be bad... but I didn't think it would be that bad. However, lets clean our laundry in the private until we hear from the WJPA on just what kind of drugs they were doing to actually release this.
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Agreed. I for one need to chill out :evil: :evil: :evil:
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There's some huge discussions happening on the WJPA site. I recommend getting a beer and read. There's some clarifications getting posted as we speak. If you don't have access, get your but over to Christine and get set up!
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I may have to rescind my WTF! Although it would have have been nice to have the information all laid out nicely and not have to wait for someone to come along and explain it all.

ALL IS WELL WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT IS WORTH DISCUSSION BUT VERY VERY LIVABLE PAY RISE ACROSS THE BOARD!
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I don't think this is the appropriate place to discuss the proposed agreement.

Bitching about it here does nothing positive or productive.

Posting misinformation on this site will only lead to more crap and innuendo to clean up at a later date.
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I can't believe this post has even gone this far. Not the time and definitely not the place guys, especially if you (myself included) don't have the whole picture.
Lets leave this alone.
gil
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awww. Come on guys. It's like giving an alcoholic a sniff of beer and not letting him take a swig. Spill the beans already! I don't want it to be bad news as our negots committee is gearing up for our raping and I would hate to have the evil empire at AC point at a bad agreement that you guys have/get into as justification for their negotiation position.

What happened to the Canadian College of Professional Pilots? We need it now more than ever.
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I'm in.
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I'm out.
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I think it needs to be worked more too.
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Guys. As you know negotiations can sometimes take weeks. You have just begun. I'm sure your association will be coming to you with a survey of what you think and what needs to be changed (they should). I would not be in any hurry to sign and I would also be pushing for a short term if the offer sucks. Just my thoughts.
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To my arch nemesis tonysoprano:

I agree with you!

This is getting weird.
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I agree that details of our agreement should be kept out of the public but general discussion is fine in my opinion. Our good friends at other airlines want to know what is happening as much as anyone working at WJ. Industry Standard. After reading the agreement a few times now I believe it is very workable.
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tonysoprano wrote:Guys. As you know negotiations can sometimes take weeks. You have just begun. I'm sure your association will be coming to you with a survey of what you think and what needs to be changed (they should). I would not be in any hurry to sign and I would also be pushing for a short term if the offer sucks. Just my thoughts.
I hope you're right, but they've been negotiating for months now, and this is supposed to be the final product that we now vote on.
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Amateur Turbines wrote:I agree that details of our agreement should be kept out of the public but general discussion is fine in my opinion. Our good friends at other airlines want to know what is happening as much as anyone working at WJ. Industry Standard. After reading the agreement a few times now I believe it is very workable.
We at AC know we will get screwed come our time. That doesn't mean we want everyone else to. It doesn't do anyone any good.
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Tony I didn't say that we were getting screwed! In fact I think that we are being offered a very fair deal in these economic times!
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proposed top hourly base pay scales per hour 8 yr FO 101.97 12 yr cpt 185.17 plus a few other goodies(37k share match and rsu's). I still think the proposal still needs some tweaking. min guarantee is 77.5 hrs/month but in reality average will be 80
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Post by Mach75 »

How do you figure a 37K share match?
You guys who are so proudly stating that you are "in" really need to get onto the WJPA forum and read some of the other concerns out there. Never mind the financial aspects of it - This proposed agreement is a serious degradation to our current terms & conditions.

All due respect to our WJPA reps but I really don't think they scrutinized the future ramifications of this agreement as much as they should have.
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Seeing some of the responses in this forum... it's sad....
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Don't be sad C-Eh! The debate has raged pretty hard on our forum(where it should imo). Whether it's a Yes or No, life will go on!!
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Anywhere else we can read the agreement. No account yet on WJPA.
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