Anybody have any information if Wasaya is hiring for any ground positions?
And what is the pay, schedule, etc?

Thanks in advance.

Why don't you go work for Skyward?

do they take rookie pilots off the ramp?

Yes, they take low time guys... but I would suggest trying to find work elsewhere if you can. It's a good start and has worked out well for lots of guys, but just as many have been burned by them.

Burned how?
Are the contract negotiations set for February complete?

Burned for standing up for yourself... did you miss the "mass exodus at Wasaya" thread awhile back.

There are certain members of Team Wasaya that feel the best way to treat new hires is to call them really nasty names and run them in to the ground. When you show up, you are not a pilot, you are a "wannabe"... even though you just spent 50 grand on a license. If you voice your opinion or make a suggestion, you are often deemed a troublemaker and are then an outcast.

If you go to Wasaya, you have to conform to their way full and through or else...

Maybe it's not as bad as it used to be. I really can't say... hopefully not because some of the shit that went on there in the years past is downright wrong. I don't think the YQT and YXL bases are bad at all, but to be a "wannabe" in YPL or YRL can be quite depressing.

It comes down to attitude and work ethic. Many young pilots come into a new job thinking the world owes them - hey I'm a pilot, I spent 50 grand on my (beginners) licence, I don't have to prove anything. Face it, you show up after 4? yrs of college with a comm; MIFR and zero experience, but a company is supposed to let you at their million dollar+ machines without assessing you?

The comments, if real, were uncalled for but from what I heard, not far from the mark. Go most anywhere and you'll be put on the ramp or dock, get use to it people, we've all been there.

Those that chose to stay are flying.

Bushav8er wrote:It comes down to attitude and work ethic. Many young pilots come into a new job thinking the world owes them - hey I'm a pilot, I spent 50 grand on my (beginners) licence, I don't have to prove anything. Face it, you show up after 4? yrs of college with a comm; MIFR and zero experience, but a company is supposed to let you at their million dollar+ machines without assessing you?

The comments, if real, were uncalled for but from what I heard, not far from the mark. Go most anywhere and you'll be put on the ramp or dock, get use to it people, we've all been there.

Those that chose to stay are flying.

+1 - Ive never complained

Bushav8er wrote:The comments, if real, were uncalled for but from what I heard, not far from the mark

So you've heard that such things are true, but letting people know is uncalled for... why shouldn't the aviation community (young pilots especially) know what they are getting into?

I suppose I could have been more subtle, but subtlety in this situation just doesn't have the same effect.

Yes, some young pilots don't have the right attitude walking into a job, but not all. In fact, I think a very small minority.

And Wolfie, what have you to say about all the guys that got burnt by Arctic Sunwest over the years? Did they not have the right attitude either?

canuck, you've edited your post.

What I said was - to say the things that you say were said ie. harsh talk to people, name calling; is not right and could be done in a better way. But the 'events' by the employees that prompted them were likely real.

Yes, some young pilots don't have the right attitude walking into a job, but not all. In fact, I think a very small minority.

Agreed, not all are like this but I strongly believe, I'm sorry to say, this is changing and not just in aviation. When you give everything to a kid they expect everything; earned or not. Add 'group mentality' to the mix, like you would have amongst rampies and well...thats how riots start.

When you have pilots that are on fixed salary or flight credit systems that have to rely on rampies that are probably getting an hourly wage there is going to be conflict. The most ironic thing is when you get a new copilot that slacked off on the ramp complaining when the rampies don't have his load ready. Hahaha. You made your bed, now lie in it.

Ahhh, I understand now...

I will have to disagree with you on that as well... to an extent. Of course, ALL employees screw up from time to time. Sometimes these screw ups are a big deal and sometimes not and in both cases should be dealt with accordingly. The point is this kind of introductory name calling and razzing was some sort of twisted initiation process. The most senior pilots would not participate but simply turn a blind eye to the treatment that went on. It was the junior pilots and in most cases senior "wannabes" that took part in this crude behaviour. And in both northern bases, some of the management was just as bad... or like the senior guys, ignored the situation... or simply accepted it as "The Wasaya Way".

Bushav8er, it seems you are making the assumption that most young kids starting to work are inherently lazy... or expect everything handed to them on a silver platter. I do believe some are like this, but realistically, most people show up with the a good attitude. They are willing to work. They want to fly. Showing up at 5 am every day, putting into up 80 hours or more a week with shitty pay should be proof enough. Why do they also need to go through this other bullshit? What does it prove? In my opinion, all it does it breed another group of pilots that don't know how to treat their fellow co-workers, in combination with over-sized egos.

Hey Wolfie, where are ya? Seriously, what about Arctic Sunwest? Did all those guys who busted there ass for peanuts deserve what they got? 3 years on the ramp with a blank logbook to show for it... Wasaya, in my opinion, is/was worse.

Hopefully things have changed. Nobody, no matter what they did, deserves to be treated the way some were at Wasaya or Arctic Sunwest or Buffalo, etc. Sure, many make it through, but what about the people left behind? We're pilots, not animals for f**k sake.

I just wouldn't want a pilot dumb enough to start work at 5 am, work an 80 hour week for peanuts. Wasaya is just getting cheap (read slave) labour because you guys are dumb enough to let them. Circumstances alter cases, but if you've been on a ramp for three years, smell the roses!
'nuff saild. Me gone.

Doc wrote:I just wouldn't want a pilot dumb enough to start work at 5 am, work an 80 hour week for peanuts. Wasaya is just getting cheap (read slave) labour because you guys are dumb enough to let them. Circumstances alter cases, but if you've been on a ramp for three years, smell the roses!
'nuff saild. Me gone.

Oh, Doc, I hope you at least understand the position some of these guys are put in... I never did 3 years on the ramp, nor did anyone at Wasaya to the best of my knowledge. I was referring to Arctic Sunwest for that point. Actually, I know guys at Tindi that spent that long on the ramp as well.

What would you propose an employee does when told to come to work day after day after day... say no? I can't make it... dig a bigger hole for yourself. I know you disagree with ramp work to begin with, so I'll just say one last thing.

Wasaya, I believe, is a good place to work... as a pilot. If a young CPL chooses to go ramp there, it may or may not work out for you depending on your morals pertaining to work and how long you can keep turning the other cheek. In my case, I ran out of cheeks.