Maint. Manuals

[fleet16b]

Hi Guys
I am managing an estate at present and have a large qty of aircraft maint. manuals for sale.
They are for various Piper , Cessna etc . from the thru the 60's to the 80's. Approx 100-150 manuals all together.
I am not going to list them and I am not going to pick thru them looking for individual requests as I would like to sell the whole stock for one lump sum
I am located in Hamilton Ontario You can pm me for viewing details.

[bombardierfixer]

I don't know for sure but if they are not current, chances are you will have a hard time giving them away. Donate them to your local aviation museum. Manuals need to be kept current and documentation stating that fact has got to be maintained by the manual holder.

[fleet16b]

I don't know for sure but if they are not current, chances are you will have a hard time giving them away. Donate them to your local aviation museum. Manuals need to be kept current and documentation stating that fact has got to be maintained by the manual holder.

These are maint manuals from the manufacturer not A.D. documentation.
Manufacturers do not re-issue up dated manuals for most private a/c example C-150,152, 172 etc thats what a.d.'s are for.
Buying and selling a/c and parting them out in order to sell parts is what my business is. I know exactly what they do and do not sell for.
These same manuals go for between $15-$20 dollars each but I am not asking anywhere near that for the whole group.
As for local Museum, I deal with them world wide and they would not even consider manual that were not vintage ie ww2 and earlier. Those types of manuals I do have and they fetch waaaaayyy more than that.
Some fetch as much for one as I want for the whole group of the ones I am selling.

[bombardierfixer]

I stand corrected, I am coming from a M2 background where all of our manuals have to be updated on a regular basis. The AD's are over and above the manual documentation, usually the planning departments problem along with SB's etc.

[twistedoldwrench]

Bombardierfixer is correct. Yes anyone can own an aircraft and have an original manual for it, but if it is a Cessna manual you have, you can bet that the manufacture has a more current manual available, infact they send out a revision status list of all their publications on a regular basis. A memerobilia nut will pay for some old manuals for sure, but an AMO working on any aircraft is legally required to have current manuals. The bottom line is you need to be able to prove that whatever you have it is the most current manual, even if it was last published in 1946.

[fleet16b]

Well thats all very fine and I agree if you operate an AMO you need current manuals.
After many years of selling used and new aircraft parts, I have never had an AMO buy manuals from me.
1) for the reasons you state 2) I don't intentionally get into the manual trade unless they are rare vintage ones. Hence the reason I am selling them enmass.
Most of the time it is individual owners that just want a manual to suport their a/c and they are not too concerned about how current.
My business is 70% individual owners and 30% AMO's.
I have quite alot of P.M. 's . Someone will get them.

[Fire1]

The documents you have are good for reference only. Whom ever (no matter if private or AMO) is carrying out maintenance
on whatever equipment needs to ensure the documents he/she is using are current and at the latest revision.

[fleet16b]

The documents you have are good for reference only. Whom ever (no matter if private or AMO) is carrying out maintenance
on whatever equipment needs to ensure the documents he/she is using are current and at the latest revision.

Partly , not all manufacturers revise their maint manuals.
Most rely on a.d.'s to do that. Please keep in mind I am talking about light a/c here not airliners.
I have worked for lots of AMO's over the years in the general light a/c industry and I don't recall anyone corresponding with Piper or Cessna to ask for revised Maint. Manuals.
Anyway, I have never claimed that any of mine are to a latest revision. Just that i am selling them off. You will be hard pressed to find many private owners that have a "latest" version manual for their a/c.
Most of these a/c are 50's - 80's and are supported by the original manuals.
My a/c for example: manuals for engine and airframe are 69 years old.
Still current but supported by A.D. 's
That is the purpose of A.D. 's, to support and revise the original manuals.

[Ballsssssss]

That is the purpose of A.D. 's, to support and revise the original manuals.

Wrong. AD's are issued by a regulatory body to correct a potentially unsafe condition on the aircraft, whether it be a design problem or component problem. They are a complete separate entity from the the manufacturer's manuals, but usually reference a manufacturer's mandatory service bulletin.

Service Instructions and Service Letters are additional literature to enhance the manuals and provide extra information on a particular product.

Small aircraft maintenance manuals are updated and amended constantly. All maintenance performed on an aircraft has to be done in accordance with the latest available material.

[fleet16b]

That is the purpose of A.D. 's, to support and revise the original manuals.

Wrong. AD's are issued by a regulatory body to correct a potentially unsafe condition on the aircraft, whether it be a design problem or component problem. They are a complete separate entity from the the manufacturer's manuals, but usually reference a manufacturer's mandatory service bulletin.

Service Instructions and Service Letters are additional literature to enhance the manuals and provide extra information on a particular product.

Small aircraft maintenance manuals are updated and amended constantly. All maintenance performed on an aircraft has to be done in accordance with the latest available material.

Well, I hate to burst your bubble but................there are many many AMOS right now using outdated manuals.
Anyway as I said I am not catering to AMO's but to whoever wants these manuals. What the buyer does with them is their business.

[I Я Instructor]

Maintenance manuals get amended periodically however you can but the amendments separately from the original issue (at least from Cessna)

eg. if you buy a maintenance manual from Cessna for a 172...M? you will get the manual with the amendments. Alternatively, you can buy an outdated manual and buy the changes... things don't change as much as you would think...

[iflyforpie]

I had to update all my Cessna manuals last year for the secondary seat restraint systems and landing gear maintenance practices among others. A few years before that it was the new life limitations on various components. Service Bulletins don't cover everything

Even though I run an AMO I still hate paying for Revisions. So I call Spring Aviation every so often to get the revision checklist. Last time I had to do revisions, I phoned Cessna at 316 517 5800 and got them to fax me the revisions. They didn't charge me a cent!! (Results may not be typical).

[040hurts]

People who cannot be bothered to keep updated manuals for aircraft they own, or are responsible for maintenance on should leave aviation. There are no excuses for not updating your library. Period. If you care to debate, phone your local TC office and ask them.

Freak people, get with program. Do things right, by the book!

[Edo]

Cessna Revision Status Checklist

https://support.cessna.com/custsupt/pro ... jsp?pg=197

Please pass this link on to whoever buys your manuals.

[iflyforpie]

Thanks for that link Edo, I've been looking for it.

[Edo]

No problem. now if only finding SBs was that easy

[iflyforpie]

We have the subscription for those. Unfortunately there are all those 'legacy' ones that are referenced in ADs. The ones that tell you how to fix whatever caused the AD but aren't in the AD itself.

[qa guy]

I usually spend 3-5 days at the end of the year checking manuals for currency. The subscripton costs total $2600. Any AMO's not in compliance should be disciplined by T.C., because it is not fair to the organizations that due take on this necessary expense.

[hangarline]

In my opinion, those old manuals are only good as fire starters. Anyone (private owner or AMO) would be foolish to use them as a reliable source of information.(and yes, I do realize that some info will probably never change on some of the basic airframes) Please update yourself to the digital age. The paper trail to follow the amendments that have occured to them should be enough to make up your mind. It basically comes down to the fact that if you cannot prove your manuals are current, then you are not in compliance with the regulations by using them. The devil really is in the details!

[Hornblower]

Coming soon to the recognition of a regulator near you …

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/FA ... 889-1.html

[bombardierfixer]

Well that will all be fine and good up untill the afore mentioned wings do the "over head clap" and peel off. Then we will see who's ass is hanging hi and dry, my guess is that the manufacterer (sp?) and the FAA will be fine, it will just be the poor AME/A&P trying to explain why he didn't use the most current information. I'd like to be the fly on the wall for those owner/maint conversations.

[fleet16b]

As usual with online forums, certain people love to make mountains out of mole hills.
What started out as an offer as a simple heads up that I have some original manuals for sale has turned into another useless online debate.
People, to clarify and keep this SIMPLE.
I have some ORIGINAL manuals for sale. They are all for light general a/c ranging from the 1960- present.
Nobody said they were current. Nobody was trying to encourage FBO's to buy them.
They are very useful for reference/ restoration.
NOT ALL manufacturers update their manuals. I come across this fact all the time.
MANY MANY I repeat MANY private owners have original or out dated manuals that they use for maintaining their a/c.
Those of you who think they don't are either living a sheltered life, are new and naive about aviation or should just plain take off the rose coloured glasses and with reality.
There are also many collectors that like original manuals.
Go to your local fly market, there are tons of out of date manuals for sale and they sell well.
As for the comment above about people that use out of date manuals in aviation should not be in aviation.......I am sure that you do not adhere to every aspect of CARs either so I guess you should leave aviation also.
Lighten up a little will ya !

[Hornblower]

How much and how many??

Maybe I'll take 'em all, just to piss off those sanctimonious lords of maintenance that are spouting holier than thou maintenance advice on here (and maybe I'll use 'em too).

[bombardierfixer]

Hey Fleet, c'mon you can't expect to post a thread and have it not go off some where totally unitended. This is the main reason AME's are still where they are proffessionaly speaking.

As for the manual currency issue I guess it just comes down to what you have in your MPM for the AMO, and as for the owner, well its up to you and your AME. As for being sanctimonious I think it comes more down to CYA. But good thread though for debate.

[fleet16b]

Hey Fleet, c'mon you can't expect to post a thread and have it not go off some where totally unitended. This is the main reason AME's are still where they are proffessionaly speaking.

As for the manual currency issue I guess it just comes down to what you have in your MPM for the AMO, and as for the owner, well its up to you and your AME. As for being sanctimonious I think it comes more down to CYA. But good thread though for debate.

True but sometimes, the sanctimonious cr@p just gets over the top.
Wish people would just keep things in perspective.