Maintenance courses

[kilpicki]

How many companies still send their AME's on maint initial courses?

I've always worked for people that sent their staff for this training, we had Dash-8 so an instructor was brought in and everyone had the course. Same for the Beech, we all went to Wichita then P&WC Montreal for the engine stuff. Then the Citation and everyone went to Wichita and Montreal for JT15. And so on for another 5 or 6 endorsments.

It was very standard for decent companies to do this but I'm not sure it happens so often now.

Nothing wrong with in house training but with a factory course you are with a global group and hear their problems and tricks, etc ,and generally learn a lot more than just what is on the curiculm.

[AME343]

Hey Kilpicki,

I've now been working at several airlines for close to 15 years now, and am type rated on several aircrafts. Would you believe I never had the chance to have a type course from the manufacturer. I do agree with you, they are a lot more in dept, but unfortunatly, in this day and age of cut-costsm the companies see it as an expense, not an investment, and it's a lot cheaper to have in-house training, especially if they're able to sell a few seats. To them, as long as you can sign the bottom line, that's all that matters!

Cheers and good luck!

[c170b53]

The instruction is only as good as the delivery. As for course content an in-house course can focus on the options installed on the model you're working on, a factory course maybe more generic. I'm a former technical instructor, so my following opinions maybe suspect. It takes more than meets the eye to deliver good material but when done right there's generally a satisfied crowd. Sometimes the effort falls short, as in a paper exercise to meet the regs and the crowd can get ugly.

[ourkid2000]

I'm an M2/E and I've never had an endorsement course. Companies are becoming so cheap when it comes to training these days.

With my E license, according to the company I currently work for, I have ACA authority on out whole fleet and do not require an endorsement course of any kind to do so.

I've had to learn our airplanes completely on my own.

[c170b53]

Yep and the liability is all yours as well. Make sense? They will get away with it if we let them and I'm not sure how we fight that one.

[iflyforpie]

If he has an ACA, the AMO is liable. But you can't have an ACA unless you've had the training for M2 aircraft.

I'd be careful signing anything out.

[ourkid2000]

For an M2 I require an endorsement course.........but for my E, it is not required. That's what it says in our MPM.

[log sheet]

If he has an ACA, the AMO is liable

You must be freakin S*%^ing me! You really don't believe that do you!?
The AMO just does the leg work for you, gives you the resources, necessary manuals , tooling , training and such. All the stuff you would have to do on your own if you didn't work for an AMO.

They supply you with all the TOOLS you need to do your job and release the work on the A/C. The AME is liable. If the AMO was liable there would be no need for an AME Licence.
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