Sitting at the airport last Sunday having a coffee talking the usual aviation issues., one of the guys stated that a holder of a RPP can obtain a waiver from the FAA to fly into the US.
Has anyone ever heard this before?
If true what are the procedures etc.
Out of curiosity we called Rochester FAA but the guy that would know was out of the office for a couple of weeks.
Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
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Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
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Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
That's a new one on me. A rec/student/ultralight permit
is not an ICAO licence, and as such is not recognized
outside Canada.
I'm not sure what equivalent licence or permit a rec
permit in Canada would equate to, in the USA. They
had their own rec permit, years ago, but it died a slow
painful death and was replaced by the LSA stuff. Maybe
that's what he got?
I'm not sure how an FAA Inspector would give out
free pilot licences or permits. If you want to convert
from Canadian to American licences, there is a streamlined
reciprocal agreement, but even it requires an FAA
medical, a written test, and a trip to the FAA FSDO
in person to pick it up, then a BFR from an FAA CFI
to exercise the privileges.
If you find out a way to bypass all the above, let
us all know!
is not an ICAO licence, and as such is not recognized
outside Canada.
I'm not sure what equivalent licence or permit a rec
permit in Canada would equate to, in the USA. They
had their own rec permit, years ago, but it died a slow
painful death and was replaced by the LSA stuff. Maybe
that's what he got?
I'm not sure how an FAA Inspector would give out
free pilot licences or permits. If you want to convert
from Canadian to American licences, there is a streamlined
reciprocal agreement, but even it requires an FAA
medical, a written test, and a trip to the FAA FSDO
in person to pick it up, then a BFR from an FAA CFI
to exercise the privileges.
If you find out a way to bypass all the above, let
us all know!
Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
Hedley
What he was saying was that a Canadian RPP could obtain a waiver or permission to fly into the states say to an airshow etc for a limited time frame as stated on the waiver.
He was not saying that the FAA would give him an equivilant US permit
What he was saying was that a Canadian RPP could obtain a waiver or permission to fly into the states say to an airshow etc for a limited time frame as stated on the waiver.
He was not saying that the FAA would give him an equivilant US permit
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Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
Hedley
Also; Canadian ultralight pilots routinely fly into the US using their Canadian permit and ultralight a/c.
I think the FAA recognizes the Can. UPP but not the Can. RPP
Hundreds of Can UPP fly to Oshkosh each year.
Also; Canadian ultralight pilots routinely fly into the US using their Canadian permit and ultralight a/c.
I think the FAA recognizes the Can. UPP but not the Can. RPP
Hundreds of Can UPP fly to Oshkosh each year.
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Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
Another Question:
Canadian Owner Maintenance Category Aircraft, are they banned from the U.S.?
That was the last I heard on it anyhow.
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Canadian Owner Maintenance Category Aircraft, are they banned from the U.S.?
That was the last I heard on it anyhow.
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The fastest way to turn money into smoke and noise..
Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
PPL requirments:
CARS 421.26....
.. just get a PPL!!
CARS 421.26....
.. just get a PPL!!
Never buy 1$ tickets
Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
AFAIK they are still banned for now, TC is looking at this issue. Funny how you can't go to the U.S. if you do your own maintenance on your C172, meanwhile you could go if you build your own kitplane....HS-748 2A wrote:Another Question:
Canadian Owner Maintenance Category Aircraft, are they banned from the U.S.?
That was the last I heard on it anyhow.
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fougapilot
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Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
KOSH is a totally different issue all together. The EAA negotiates a bunch of waivers with the FAA that applies to any EAA members. When I first started to go with the CJ, I would be issued a CofA validation by the EAA which was valid only for my KOSH travel. Perhaps this is the case for RPP.fleet16b wrote:Hundreds of Can UPP fly to Oshkosh each year.
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Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
[/quote]KOSH is a totally different issue all together. The EAA negotiates a bunch of waivers with the FAA that applies to any EAA members. When I first started to go with the CJ, I would be issued a CofA validation by the EAA which was valid only for my KOSH travel. Perhaps this is the case for RPP.[/quote]
Yes , this is true and some at my local airport say that there is a special waiver similar for RPP holders. We have some RP Pilots that would like to fly to the Geneseo Airshow without having to bring along a PPL holder to make things legal.
Out of curiousity, we have placed a call to Rochester FAA and are awaiting a response.
I will post what they say once I know.
Yes , this is true and some at my local airport say that there is a special waiver similar for RPP holders. We have some RP Pilots that would like to fly to the Geneseo Airshow without having to bring along a PPL holder to make things legal.
Out of curiousity, we have placed a call to Rochester FAA and are awaiting a response.
I will post what they say once I know.
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Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
This is exactly why I don't recommend people doing the
rec permit. I've done a few of them, but for the little bit
of extra work that you have to do, to get a private licence,
I think it's best in the long run to do the PPL.
Fleet: you're telling me that some friends of yours didn't
bother to get a PPL - they took the shortcut, and got the
rec instead. Now, they want the privileges of the PPL
despite the fact that they didn't bother to meet the
requirements for it.
I guess I should feel sorry for them, but I'm having
a bit of a tough time generating sympathy for someone
that wants something for nothing.
rec permit. I've done a few of them, but for the little bit
of extra work that you have to do, to get a private licence,
I think it's best in the long run to do the PPL.
Fleet: you're telling me that some friends of yours didn't
bother to get a PPL - they took the shortcut, and got the
rec instead. Now, they want the privileges of the PPL
despite the fact that they didn't bother to meet the
requirements for it.
I guess I should feel sorry for them, but I'm having
a bit of a tough time generating sympathy for someone
that wants something for nothing.
Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
Hedley
I somewhat agree with what you are saying however the one or two guys I know that are inquiring are not asking for unlimited waivers to fly in and out of the US whenever they wantas per the PPL
They are just looking to access to the odd airshow or event.
Most likely the odd person may abuse such a privilage if it exists. In that case I definitely agree with what you say.
Your point about wanting something for nothing, would also have to apply to UPP that get FAA waivers issued.
Overall, I do see the benifits to the RPP as the PPL is somewhat overkill.
It has gotten to the point where the schools think that every PPL student wants to become an airline pilot.I am not saying more knowledge is not better but so far the RPP is successfull here in Canada and there was definitely a market/need for it. The response to it proves that. ( both here and in the US)
We are not seeing all kinds of people getting killed because of this program and the TC violations are full of PPL and CPL Pilots. Almost none are.
I will go far as to predict that eventually the US will recognize the RPP as an equivalent to the SPP they have and then the RPP's will be allowed unlimited access
From what I see the only problems come from the flying schools. They try to talk everyone out of the RPP with statements like it is dangerous, too limiting etc. In reality they just worry about a drop in revenue and don't like it.
Well I personally have seen the RPP program inspire people to fly because it brings things closer to their budget so I would assume that it brings in some revenue that the Schools may normally not get.
Also there are alot of jealous pilots that feel ripped off because they spent more money learning to fly before the RPP can on the scene and they give if "bad press"
I somewhat agree with what you are saying however the one or two guys I know that are inquiring are not asking for unlimited waivers to fly in and out of the US whenever they wantas per the PPL
They are just looking to access to the odd airshow or event.
Most likely the odd person may abuse such a privilage if it exists. In that case I definitely agree with what you say.
Your point about wanting something for nothing, would also have to apply to UPP that get FAA waivers issued.
Overall, I do see the benifits to the RPP as the PPL is somewhat overkill.
It has gotten to the point where the schools think that every PPL student wants to become an airline pilot.I am not saying more knowledge is not better but so far the RPP is successfull here in Canada and there was definitely a market/need for it. The response to it proves that. ( both here and in the US)
We are not seeing all kinds of people getting killed because of this program and the TC violations are full of PPL and CPL Pilots. Almost none are.
I will go far as to predict that eventually the US will recognize the RPP as an equivalent to the SPP they have and then the RPP's will be allowed unlimited access
From what I see the only problems come from the flying schools. They try to talk everyone out of the RPP with statements like it is dangerous, too limiting etc. In reality they just worry about a drop in revenue and don't like it.
Well I personally have seen the RPP program inspire people to fly because it brings things closer to their budget so I would assume that it brings in some revenue that the Schools may normally not get.
Also there are alot of jealous pilots that feel ripped off because they spent more money learning to fly before the RPP can on the scene and they give if "bad press"
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Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
I personally would reccomend PPL over RPP (more privilages). However, the bottom line should be that the pilot must be "safe" to fly, regardless if they have a RPP or ATPL.fleet16b wrote:
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Re: Rec Permit Pilot fliyng into the US
There is a waiver form for a Canadian Ultralight Pilot Permit, UPP endorsed with pass. Rating, or a Rec Pilot Permit. To fly a Basic Ultralight or Advanced Ultralight into the USA.
This waiver does not apply to the same pilot flying a Special Certificate of Airworthiness-Homebuilt, or an Certified aircraft with a CofA. (theoretically an UPP permit could fly a 1939 or 1940 Piper J-3 at 1179lbs. gross in Canada...but because its certified...they UPP or Rec cannot fly it in the USA) A Rec permit holder cannot take a C-150 or C-172 for example even though they can fly these aircraft in Canada.
An Owner-maintenance registered aircraft cannot fly into the USA regardless of the pilots licence or qualifications.
And yes, the fact that they can only fly non-certified, and in the case of basic ultralights. These aircraft are not even required to keep maintenance records. But a homebuilt or certified aircraft that has to keep maintenance logs and other safety and inspection requirements cannot be flown by this same pilot in the USA....seems silly.
That is the way the rule was made.
This waiver does not apply to the same pilot flying a Special Certificate of Airworthiness-Homebuilt, or an Certified aircraft with a CofA. (theoretically an UPP permit could fly a 1939 or 1940 Piper J-3 at 1179lbs. gross in Canada...but because its certified...they UPP or Rec cannot fly it in the USA) A Rec permit holder cannot take a C-150 or C-172 for example even though they can fly these aircraft in Canada.
An Owner-maintenance registered aircraft cannot fly into the USA regardless of the pilots licence or qualifications.
And yes, the fact that they can only fly non-certified, and in the case of basic ultralights. These aircraft are not even required to keep maintenance records. But a homebuilt or certified aircraft that has to keep maintenance logs and other safety and inspection requirements cannot be flown by this same pilot in the USA....seems silly.
That is the way the rule was made.
