BBC: Canada is part of the USA

[Carrier]

In a major story on its website today the BBC advises that Liverpool Football Club co-owner George Gillett has sold one of his major US assets - the Montreal Canadiens. The deal includes the Bell Centre arena in Montreal. Some Canadians might think that Montreal and the province of Quebec are in a separate country named Canada but again the rest of the world fails to regard Canada as any more than a mere American appendage.

Upset Canadians can contact the BBC to have this reporting corrected, if they think it is wrong. Of far more concern to such Canadians should be why the world (that’s all of the Earth outside of North America) continues to regard Canada as part of the USA.

Perhaps it is time for Canadians to stop peeing into the wind and apply to join the USA instead of wasting time and taxpayers’ money on half-way substitutes such as NAFTA. This is a joke, as proved by the treatment of BC's softwood lumber and Alberta's beef. Such squabbles and problems would vanish. There would be many other benefits to formally joining the USA. For one, we would no longer need TCCA as aviation in the new American areas would now be regulated by the FAA!

[shamrock104]

Maybe they should have stated that this part of the world was in France and not Canada or the US.
I am amazed at the way the Canadians in general put up with the crap that comes out of Quebec.
They want their own seperate this and that and generally they get it, they have their own rules
and their own laws and see themselves as French. As soon as they want something or there is a provincial
disaster they put their hand out and of course the rest of the nation pitch in and cough up our tax dollars,
maybe they should turn to France.
Getting back to the original post perhaps the BBC get a little confused with the identity of this particular part of Canada, just a thought.

[xsbank]

I'd like to be a Republic too, but even the US isn't a real republic any more. Homeland Paranoia is just too scary for me to possibly ever voluntarily join.

We don't need to worry about joining them, they are just slowly buying us out anyway. If they don't buy, or the process stalls or there is nothing else they want we just send them money so they don't think we've stopped caring, like for GM. Doesn't it make you feel all warm and rosy when you know what a great pension deal we gave those GM workers? It'll help warm you up when you can't afford the heat to warm your can of dog food when you try and live on your $800 per month Canada Pension which you contributed to since you were 16.

[xsbank]

Quebec is full of Anglos, Algerians, Haitians, Jamaicans, Arabs etc etc yet they call themselves French and wave the Fleur-de-Lis. Its a triumph of bullsh*t baffling brains.

Whining is also the Canadian way.

More than 50% of the Island of Montreal does not speak French. Yay!

[petpad]

Quebec is full of Anglos, Algerians, Haitians, Jamaicans, Arabs etc etc yet they call themselves French and wave the Fleur-de-Lis. Its a triumph of bullsh*t baffling brains.

Wow, some unexpected hatred coming thrue here from xsbank... ouch...

how on earth has this thread on the BBC turned into a bash-Quebec thread??? Like there are no immigrants in Toronto or Vancouver? And what has this all to do with aviation anyway??

[xsbank]

THAT IS NOT HATRED.

Its not. I don't GARA what colour or ethnicity or gender you are, I believe in absolute equality. What 'Quebec' is telling the rest of Canada is pure, unadulterated crap. I live here, I know it.

There is no equality in Quebec. All I meant was how does a Haitian or an Arab qualify in the French/Anglo BS, where events are canceled here if a non-French-speaking band were to appear at a public event; the Plains of Abraham commemorative thing was canceled, all because it might cause violence.

Violence? From whom to whom? 3 guesses. Quebecers espousing violence?

What I HATE is the hypocrisy, the idea that French culture is any more important than any other culture or that Quebec is not a Province but a "Nation." Claptrap, twaddle and nonsense. That sounds exactly like something Transport would publish.

If Stephen Harper sells Canada's soul to Quebec for a few votes, I'll kick his ass. If CSIS knocks at my door for that I'll tell you all about it.

What Quebec needs is a brain transplant - let me know if someone would like to run this madhouse. What we need is someone like Cat when he is thinking about Transport to come in here and clean house, kick ass, stop the corruption and get Quebec back on its feet.

Interested, .?

[Connor M]

Back to the original post. The BBC has changed it to read that he has sold one of his major assets. Since he owns other teams which are in america it was probably just an error. Why proof reading did catch it, who knows.

[Cat Driver]

Interested, .?

As soon as I'm finished with TCCA I would like to give it a try.

[TG]

Now that's BBC has corrected its article, can we carry on the language thing ?

What I HATE is the hypocrisy, the idea that French culture is any more important than any other culture or that Quebec is not a Province but a "Nation."

I agree.
On the other end I cannot stop thinking that if they were not proud of themselves (real Fleur De Lis ones not the fakes like me), French speaking in Canada would have been swallowed like a fart into seat cushion long, long time ago. Think of what's left of it in Louisiana.
But yes, they can definitely relax a bit their sphincters now.

By smacking so many times this seat cushion, it became a hard bench incapable of swallowing anything

[2R]

General Wolfe was fragged

[armchair]

...where events are canceled here if a non-French-speaking band were to appear at a public event

Hey, Paul McCartney did a free concert last summer in Quebec and he was only able to spit out a most mangled "bonjour", and I assure you he did not sing "La Danse à Saint-Dilon" either. It was not cancelled, but I think they had some French acts in between though.

I was in attendance at the June 1975 Pink Floyd concert at the auto-stade in Montreal. David Gilmour and Roger Waters did not speak or sing in French either - I remember very well, it was only 34 years ago, and the show was not cancelled.

Tempest in a teapot. On s'essuie pis on recommence.

[Driving Rain]

Canada is just like the USA, without all the violence and ignorance.

[LH]

The Brits? Oh it's very important what they think of my home and native land. Of course the Yanks will buy us up some day because we hardly own any shit at all south of the 49th. The French Canadians and Quebec? That's an English problem because they were the ones who signed all those old Treaties with them and accorded them special Rights to keep them from joining the f-cking Yanks. Don't blame the French folks. They demanded and the British gave....period. See Prince Charlie or Queen Lizzie about that one....it's their problem to solve. We only signed a very few of those Treaties with the Native tribes of Canada also. The Brits signed all the rest. Let the natives see Prince Charlie or mom Queen Lizzie also about all that. They should be paying all the bills for that anyway because they were issuing all the orders back then. All the problems should be shipped over to Buckingham Palace and Whitehall anyway because Canada wasn't really an independent country until the Statute of Westminister in 1947. So let's send them all their f-ck-ups in Canada until Canada got 100% of her freedom to flash them their middle digit.

Lord, I don't know if I can sleep tonite without wondering what the Brits or the BBC will say about Canada next.

[yvanddivans]

I am amazed at the way the Canadians in general put up with the crap that comes out of Quebec.
They want their own seperate this and that and generally they get it, they have their own rules
and their own laws and see themselves as French.

Quebec dude speaking here : Not everyone in Quebec disagree with you, twice the Parti Quebecois asked the population if they wanted to leave Canada... and twice it was less than 50%. And no we're not French, we're French Canadians.

maybe they should turn to France.

We tried that a few hundred years ago and they didn't care, that's why the rest of Canada speaks english now. We're not about to do the same mistake (well.. I hope so!).

In case you're wondering, I'm proud to be Canadian and I don't want Quebec to be a country. Canada joining USA would make me change my mind though.

the Plains of Abraham commemorative thing was canceled,all because it might cause violence.

That's just political bull****. Saying everyone in Quebec is dumb and approves of those stupidities just sound as if someone would say all arabs are terrorists because of 0.05% of extremists. Generalisation is more a proof of being narrow-minded.


Sorry I'm being Completely out of topic but I had to respond or the world as we know it would've ended :)

[Nark]

You're not French Canadian, you are a Canadian who speaks french.

[bmc]

You're not French Canadian, you are a Canadian who speaks french.

Opinion or fact?

I'm trying to find a legal recognition of the term French Canadian as I type this.

[Hedley]

From my personal viewpoint ...

Quebec will let me fly in an airshow, which is simply not
permitted in Canada - thanks, so much. Someday
I really hope I can repay what you did to me.

Anyways, you must understand that it's really hard for me
to say anything bad about Quebec's independence

[Hedley]

Maybe, but I somehow doubt it. I think the explanation
is a lot simpler than that. I suspect it goes something
like this:

The Quebecois don't like l'anglais in Tower C telling them
what they can and cannot do in la belle province.

It is not exactly a secret that l'anglais in Tower C personally
hate my guts and do everything they can to shut me and
my family down - everyone knows that.

So, les Quebecois get a chance to stick it to l'anglais
when they let me fly in an airshow in Quebec - that's
why they do it, not because they like me.

[Nark]

The assertion is that French (Capital F) Canadian is a distinct nation. Where as french (lower case) is an adjective describing the noun, ie Canadian.

Ergo,

ipso facto,

there is no such thing as French Canadian, only a person who speaks french.

Now, if you hold citizenship in both Canada and France, by all means you are French-Canadian and I misspoke. But I'm a believer that you should chose only one.

[. ._]

Just hang around here long enough. All of the stories come out. You just have to weed through all of the BS that's on here. Like my BS.

-istp

[Hedley]

Where can I do some catch-up and read about your story Hedley?

Hard to believe anyone could seriously ask that question
after 6000+ posts, but ....

You don't have to believe me. Just call up nearly anyone in Transport,
mention my name, and wait for the blast. Apparently I am considered
the anti-Christ or something similar.

Here's a great idea: call up Transport, and tell them that you are
organizing an airshow, and you want my team to fly in it. Tell them
that you understand we are impeccably qualified and highly experienced
with a perfect safety record.

They will reply that we may be qualified, but we are "not eligible"
to fly in an airshow in Canada because it is "not in the public
interest" for us to do so.

Thanks, C, I really appreciate the trips you took from
Toronto to Tower C to forever poison my (and my family's)
relationship with Transport.

I remember a couple years back, I got a cold call from
an Enforcement Inspector from Atlantic Region, who
told me that if I ever flew my Pitts there, I would be
charged.

Deal. I never fly in Atlantic region.

[yvanddivans]

you got me there nark i shall now restrain myself from using capital letters. :)

french canadian it is then! or frenchy... which ever one rocks your world!

[Hedley]

Sometimes I wonder if everyone likes me as much as they really should

[Carrier]

Quote: “.....because Canada wasn't really an independent country until the Statute of Westminister in 1947.”

Presumably the poster means "Westminster".

Canada was granted independence from the UK on 17 April 1982. That is Canada’s “Independence Day”, when Canada ceased to be subject to the British parliament through proclamation by the Queen of an act of the British parliament. Up until that date Canada had some self-government but was still subject to the UK’s government, which could at any time have amended or suspended Canada’s self-government, including even reintroducing direct rule from Westminster.

Don’t Canadians know their own history? Don’t Canadians celebrate their own independence day with a public holiday? Perhaps this lack is due to recognition that Canada is a de facto American territory. Which brings us back to my original post. It’s long past the time for Canadians to recognise reality and legally become part of the USA with all of the resulting benefits.

Some benefits:
TCCA will be abolished as the FAA would be the sole government aviation agency.
The need for General Declarations and similar paperwork would vanish when crossing the now abolished borders.
All of the customs and immigration personnel and cops along the existing borders between Canada and the USA would become redundant. They would no longer be a drain on the taxpayers of both countries but would have to find jobs where they contribute to the economy.
There would be no need for any ID or other paperwork when passing across the now abolished international borders.
There would no longer be any arguments and duties regarding such issues as BC softwood lumber, Alberta beef, etc. The adjudicators of such disputes would become redundant and have to find real jobs where they would make a contribution.
There would be no duties or taxes for goods crossing the the now abolished international borders.
There would be the cost of only one embassy in each foreign country. Redundant diplomats and bureaucrats would have to find jobs where they actually contribute instead of being tax leeches.
The Canadian federal government would become redundant. Imagine the savings from just that!
Former Canadians would be free to live or work in any part of the expanded USA.
There would be better defence equipment, etc.
Former Canadians would have lower taxes.
We would have a triple E senate
Federal politicians would have fixed terms, with elections at fixed time frames.
The Quebec problem would vanish.

The above is just a start. I am sure readers can add other benefits. Let's get on with it!

[bmc]

Bad idea. American's living abroad must pay taxes.