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High Speed Taxi

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To the Westjet pilot taxiing out from Terminal 3 in YYZ (Lane 5) on Monday, August 3rd at 09:12 AM....SLOW DOWN COWBOY. Maybe you had a hot date waiting for you, but it's not worth an accident.
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Re: High Speed Taxi

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what did you clock him at?

Since we're being critical, to the 2 separate Jazz flights flying into YYZ last month... Turn your Frickin Weather Radar on! I personally witnessed these clowns flying through the center of a cell, and had the audacity to report moderate turbulence and icing in their area. :roll: Really, it happened.
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or how about the air canada or jazz guys with their 2 knot taxi, I didnt realize that GPS read that low
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Jastapilot wrote:what did you clock him at?

Since we're being critical, to the 2 separate Jazz flights flying into YYZ last month... Turn your Frickin Weather Radar on! I personally witnessed these clowns flying through the center of a cell, and had the audacity to report moderate turbulence and icing in their area. :roll: Really, it happened.

Oh ya Im pretty sure that was me. Well Shucks man you dont want to have to diveate and possibly eat into the profit sharing. Just showing my Westjetattitude so good its blinding. HA
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Re: High Speed Taxi

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. Yeagermister wrote:
Jastapilot wrote:what did you clock him at?

Since we're being critical, to the 2 separate Jazz flights flying into YYZ last month... Turn your Frickin Weather Radar on! I personally witnessed these clowns flying through the center of a cell, and had the audacity to report moderate turbulence and icing in their area. :roll: Really, it happened.

Oh ya Im pretty sure that was me. Well Shucks man you dont want to have to diveate and possibly eat into the profit sharing. Just showing my Westjetattitude so good its blinding. HA
diveate? FYI most of us koolaid culters go out of our way to make sure the people who pay our mortgage and mistress bills are getting the best ride in the sky we can find, and that doesn't include flying through the center of a building thunderstorm.
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Re: High Speed Taxi

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Jast.
:roll: Really, it happened.
Really? Wow. Like did the little dash 8 really survive?? Unbelievable. Maybe it was just a baby thunderstorm. Like did it have lightening and all that? Amazing anyone survived this.
These threads are getting sillier by the day.
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Re: High Speed Taxi

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rigpiggy wrote:or how about the air canada or jazz guys with their 2 knot taxi, I didnt realize that GPS read that low
Taxiing at 2 knots(???) does not cause accidents. Taxiing too fast will.
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Nothing is worse that getting behind AC. Do you guys really taxi that slow to get your numbers? Why not get them at the gate and be ready to go so it doesnt slow the rest of us up?
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....Why not get them at the gate and be ready to go so it doesnt slow the rest of us up?
Do you know how stupid this all sounds? Don't you think that if we were really going so slow we would also be slowing our own flights up? Why would we purposely taxi too slow? We don't taxi for "our numbers", we taxi for safety and comfort. Period. Hey DaveP, what the heck are you hiring over there??? :D
OK, so AC taxis too slow and WJ too fast. Tell you what slick, next time you're behind AC taxing at "2 knots", you tell the controller about it and see what reaction you get. Heck while you're at it, let TC know as well. Next time I see a teal tube going rodeo style, I won't talk to the controllers. I'll right up a little ASR and copy it to TC and then I'll post their response right on this forum. We'll see who gets more excited about what. :D
I don't know what your SOP says, but I follow mine:
During taxi the speed should be adjusted to suit conditions and must not
be excessive at any time. Avoid coarse use of nosewheel steering and
brakes in order to provide passengers a comfortable ride.
I'm sure yours says the same thing.
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I was in YXE and followed an AC jungle jet out. We get out to the runway and low and behold we hear" we are waiting on our numbers, it will be right away". ATC puts them into position and hold. We wait,wait and wait. Finally ATC has had enough and taxis them up the runway, off and back around behind us so they could get us out. Is that passanger comfort? To me its a waste of time and money. Maybe if you were run a little more effeciently, you wouldnt be needing government help. At least team teal makes money.
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stratcat wrote:I was in YXE and followed an AC jungle jet out. We get out to the runway and low and behold we hear" we are waiting on our numbers, it will be right away". ATC puts them into position and hold. We wait,wait and wait. Finally ATC has had enough and taxis them up the runway, off and back around behind us so they could get us out. Is that passanger comfort? To me its a waste of time and money. Maybe if you were run a little more effeciently, you wouldnt be needing government help. At least team teal makes money.
So how do you see this as a safety issue? The thread was about safety. "Is that pax comfort?" What a moronic statement dude. Pax comfort also includes safety. Is it safe to go without those numbers? How does your statement pertain to taxi speed? You also make this one time experience sound like a daily occurrence. In a company that flies 70,000 people a day, I would suspect that sometimes the "numbers" just might be late. That aside, again, the issue and topic of the thread was more safety related. SAFETY. Have your bosses explain that one to you. Oh wait, they're too busy brainwashing you with "efficiency" and "AC's government help".

Auxbaton. Cool bro. Right on.
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Re: High Speed Taxi

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Silly, Silly, Silly!

Probably not a smart thing to do, taxiing fast that is! I am sure it will be addressed.

In the mean time... :drinkers: :axe: :smt100 :smt084 :smt102 :partyman: :smt008
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I encourage anyone who witnesses hazardous activity by a WS crew to submit a report through the appropriate channels.

I also don't mind it when external variables outside of my control slow me up. So when some dimwit plugs the taxi-ways at 2 knots I just start calculating OT in my mind.
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If the plane was indeed taxiing too fast, the company already knows - the plane sends a message to company advising of all sorts of misuse, including taxi speed. That pilot will most likely get a phone call, if it's as bad as you say.
Then again, considering how slow some AC folks taxi, 5 kts could look too fast :smt040
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OMG. Here we go again. You guys need to get a bit more mature about this. Just read this and I don't even need to point fingers. So one guy taxis fast and all of a sudden WJ pilots are cowboys. Smarten up Tony. As for AC and their numbers. Yes maybe a bit irritating sometimes but usually ATC will place them off to the side and out of the way. In my years, AC might have held me up 3 times because of the numbers. In he grand scheme of things .....yipty-doo. Pilots notoriously are the first ones to criticize about other pilots. Now THAT's more annoying than what any of you guys are debating about. The only thing I ever have to say is WHERE YOU THERE? If not, zip it! Did you possibly hear ATC say "WJ keep the speed up on taxi, traffic short final". Happens all the time. Just had it it YYC the other day when crossing 28 on our way to 34. As for safety? I don't see taxiing 25 kts down a 2 mile stretch of taxiway a safety issue. Much faster than that and as KAG says, out computer emails our gate keepers and the captain may get called. I have seen both WJ and AC taxi, what looks to be a wee fast, but who am I to criticize. Enjoy life a bit more instead of being a "Legend in your own mind" on here.
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Hey Legacy.
Thanks for the disciplinary tone Dad but nobody here said that WJ has any reputation of any kind. Someone started this thread by addressing ONE crew. What followed was a childish back and forth. In fact the only generalizations were established by your side. What's there to smarten up about? Yes this is very childish but does reveal a few things about culture doesn't it? Perhaps Nutcracker or KAG should have jumped in a little earlier and this thread might have been done a while ago. Or at least taken a different tone.
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Re: High Speed Taxi

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Riding the brakes on a 2 mile downhill slope on the way to runway 25 isnt too safe either. Does your SOPs talk about brake heating?


Accident: Air Canada A320 at Las Vegas, March 13th 2007, rejected takeoff with left main gear and both engines damaged
By Simon Hradecky, created Thursday, Mar 15th 2007 10:15Z, last updated Thursday, Mar 15th 2007 10:15Z
An Air Canada A320, flight 547 from Las Vegas to Calgary, rejected takeoff at 110 KIAS, after tires at the left main gear "disintegrated", the remainder of the left main gear assembly "grooving" the runway and resulting in another tire burst on the nose gear. The pieces of that tire apparently went through both engines ... The airplane ended up sticking on the runway for 17 hours with a badly damaged main left gear and both engines damaged.

The crew had reported about half an hour earlier, that their brakes were hot, and pulled the aircraft out of the departure queue, attempting takeoff roughly 30 minutes later, 35 minutes past scheduled departure time.

All people on board left the airplane via stairs, no injuries were reported.
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How do we know they were riding the brakes?
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I would love to see anyone taxi at 25 kts down A or B in YYZ and have a serviceable aircraft afterward. Highest landing fees in the world, but can't seem to get those frost heaves out....
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Inside info, anyway it doesnt matter. Frankly Ive had enough of all this crap. We all consider ourselves proffessionals at work yet get on here and bash each other. Ive had enough of AC bashing Westjet. We make money, provide good customer service. Its a great place to work. I dont like how AC runs itself. I dont like the idea of the government helping them out especially if it involves my tax dollars that I work hard to make. Air Canada is a big part of Canada and our flag carrier and I dont want to see it collapse. I know a lot of good people that work there and I respect their pilots. We are all aviators trying to make a living. I dont know who you are Tony S but if I was to guess someone who spends all day on here firing shit up and pissing people off. Do you have a life outside of Aviation? Anyway, Im not lowering myself to anymore of this. Im signing off for good. So long.
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Inside info, anyway it doesnt matter.
:lol:
Ive had enough of AC bashing Westjet.
:cry:
Im not lowering myself to anymore of this. Im signing off for good. So long.
:cry: :smt039
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well said Stratcat
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stratcat wrote:I was in YXE and followed an AC jungle jet out. We get out to the runway and low and behold we hear" we are waiting on our numbers, it will be right away". ATC puts them into position and hold. We wait,wait and wait. Finally ATC has had enough and taxis them up the runway, off and back around behind us so they could get us out. Is that passanger comfort? To me its a waste of time and money. Maybe if you were run a little more effeciently, you wouldnt be needing government help. At least team teal makes money.
Pull that sh$t at a real airport (ORD/ATL/EWR) and you are headed for a one way trip to the back of a very long taxi line :oops: Apparently there are some (hopefully not too many) pilots that subscribe to the notion that not only should their employers compete, but the pilots should compete also.

Unprofessional taxi etiquette? SW has that down to an art. Nobody should try to emulate what they do under the guise of 'efficiency'. If your judgement is being affected by your attitude then you need to take some time off and smell the roses :D
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Re: High Speed Taxi

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This is a friggin' mess. I'm disgusted with myself for actually reading some of it...especially TS's childish remarks. The type of airplane you fly isn't what makes you a real man...it's how fast you can skate.... :D
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