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I'm not doing a 'BLASTOR' thing here :D ...just thought this was an interesting article about a Canadian carrier. IABD


Cdn Discount Airline Jetsgo Facing New Pressures
By Monica Gutschi
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

TORONTO (Dow Jones)--Discount carrier Jetsgo may see its operating costs rise slightly after Transport Canada revoked a newly issued certificate that allows the airline to fly at optimum efficiency levels.
Jetsgo spokesman Brad Cicero confirmed the Montreal-based airline had its Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum, or RVSM, certificate revoked last Friday. He said government regulators deemed the operations manual didn't comply with the new RVSM regulations, which came into effect in late January. The manual now needs to be updated.
"It's just a matter of changing a few written remarks in the manuals," he said, which should be completed by next week.

But in the meantime, the lack of an RVSM certificate means Jetsgo's aircraft must fly below 29,000 feet, reducing their fuel efficiency. The RVSM allows aircraft flying between 29,000 and 41,000 feet to fly with only 1,000 feet of separation rather than the previous 2,000 feet.
Cicero said the limitation on "optimum" flight levels would have a "marginal increase" in costs, as it could mean some aircraft will have to carry more fuel depending on the length of flight and number of passengers.

TD Newcrest analyst Brian Morrison said the temporary loss of the RVSM certificate "is yet another data point that should have a negative impact upon the financial position of Jetsgo."
He said that at least one Jetsgo flight had to make a refueling stop Monday before reaching its final destination.

Increased fuel consumption is a "competitive disadvantage," Morrison said, given the high price of jet fuel and Jetsgo's older and less fuel-efficient fleet.

As well, Morrison noted that could lead to "costly" refueling stops on transcontinental flights and may affect on-time performance, hurting customer satisfaction and potentially load factors.

TD Newcrest's Morrison said there appear to be numerous signs of financial challenges facing Jetsgo, including the airline's recent decision to forgo disclosing its monthly load-factor data. There have also been highly publicized incidents such as a botched landing in Calgary that could have heightened Transport Canada's vigilance, and a public-relations disaster at Christmas when numerous passengers were left stranded, hurting the airline's image with customers.

Morrison also pointed to the airline's sale of one of its recently acquired Fokker 100 aircraft as potentially signalling a need for additional cash.
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Post by Canus Chinookus »

heheh, you even highlighted stuff!!! That's a blastor trademark! Be careful!
Might I suggest in the future, just cut out the parts of the article that go against your argument, and just post what you feel is most important, along with the bolded text, of course! :lol:
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Canus Chinookus wrote:heheh, you even highlighted stuff!!! That's a blastor trademark! Be careful!
Might I suggest in the future, just cut out the parts of the article that go against your argumentand just post what you feel is most important, , along with the bolded text, of course! :lol:
That would be censorship... :wink:
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Gentleman make your bets...

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Ok now lets open the bets.... how long to go for jetsgo ?

I start.... 2 months to go (end of april )

anyone want to play ?

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Post by Rubberbiscuit »

There is a lot of people out there wishing for Jetsgo's demise so they can see their WJ stock go up.
Don't forget that the same idiots at TC that revoked the RVSM certificate, also approved it a couple of monthsago.
We might have sold an F100 but before restoring it... apparently it was not worth it. But we also just added 2 more on line!
And last but not least.... I could be wrong of course but we just survived a slow winter w/lots of bad publicity, so I would be very surprised if the doors were to close in the immediate future as planes are filling up.
Word has it that RVSM will be reinstated by the weekend and someone in flight ops has been let go over it.
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Rubberbiscuit wrote:There is a lot of people out there wishing for Jetsgo's demise
I've said before and I'll say it again.

I don't want JetsGo to go under...I'd like seeing it's arm twisted until it hurt so that it will play nice with it's work staff...

If it won't say 'uncle'...just keep twisting...
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I don't hope anything bad for jetsgo, that will put this industry back in the mud for a while again...

Like Birdog says, this company need some tight follow up from TC.

Couple year ago i was flying for a small regional outfit. Everything was looking good (buying new airplanes, pilots going to Flight Safety, new hangar..) until we start having serious maintenance problem, fuel problem and then, on a thursday night, bingo ! the company has shut down !

I don't hope anything bad for jetsgo, but every week i hear bad stories about this company. Doesn't look good... i won't put 30 G for a job at this time...

It seems that ML bet on the fact that Air Canada was suppose to go bankrupt and it never happened, Air Canada came back STRONGER..without debt ! Now the real game has begun !


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Post by peeelot »

I onlyhope the best for JETSGO they need to survive for all of us low time pilots to survive and have a chance at a job in the next couple of years. To all you bad wishers about any company in the airline industry. I wish you long lines for unemployment and get turned down for every job you apply for because that's what you get for wanting a company to go under putting hundreds of people out of work.
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Post by Benwa »

peeelot, you think it's a good idea for us low timers to see a "business" succeed by having their pilots pay 30K$ for a job ?

I wish Jetsgo would drop the 30k$ nonsense and keep flying forever... but I don't think we will see either.
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You missed the whole point of that. I don't want them to go under because how many more pilots will be looking for jobs.
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Don't forget that the same idiots at TC that revoked the RVSM certificate, also approved it a couple of monthsago.
Not that I want to champion the cause of TC but it was the airline that is/was in non compliance with the regulations. As for TC issuing an RVSM ops spec, you might want to check the ops spec itself - perhaps it was reissued to include all those extra aircraft you got.

A lot of advance information was provided to air operators regarding RVSM. End result, someone unfortunately did not address the requirements to the satisfaction of the minister, hence your statement about someone in Flt Ops getting canned.

I sincerely hope for all those who work there, that TC will fast track any approvals but I would not hold my breath hoping they will. No doubt this is gonna hurt ML's books even more.
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Post by Canus Chinookus »

someday people will realize that there's more pilots than jobs in Canada... someday. Ask yourself if you really want a 'sick' company to survive just so you have a chance at a job with them.
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Canus... I have known all along that there is a hell of a lot more Pilots than jobs in this or any other country for that matter. What I did not realize because of blinds pulled down over my eyes when I started in this business was that 12 years later I would find myself making less than 40k a year living in separate parts of the country from wife and kids because we needed her job to make ends meet. This as a capt. on a 19 seat twin turboprop in a job where I did everything but build the plane I made my living in. I am not bitter but I get pissed off when guys jump to the conclusion that guys take an airline job just to fly a plane with jet engines and a lavatory. WAKE UP!! It's all about lifestyle and family for most guys . There is only 2 reasons I am where I am. A: It was a ticket to get back under the same roof as my wife and kids. B: I have good friends and respectable aviators that said it was an OK place to work. So when the phone rang I accepted!
Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting SG is THE place to be.
It's a job, I work with a great bunch, and regardless of what destiny has planned for me...... It will some day be one of the pieces in the puzzle that was my flying career.
I have not worked in a place that does not have pluses and minuses, goods and bads, ups and downs, and guess what? My good friends at many other "aviation outfits" tell me the same.
All airlines go through their growing pains. It seems to me everyone has forgot that the road other airlines in Canada has chosen has not allways been smooth either. Most recently, A/C's bankruptcy protection, or WJ's shutdown due to to the (a-holes at) TC first approving something then revoking it due to some maintenance issues.... but guesss what... it's all water under the bridge. I am sure a lot of people thought that was the end, but they are still here!
Bottom line! If you don't work somewhere, walk in and out out through the front doors of a company on a daily basis you do not really know what it is like to work there, or what goes on. Actually chances are that even if you do work there you don't know much more.
I'll guarantee one thing though! When we fly, We laugh, joke and chat about the same things in life as the rest of you,( only above 10000' of course) where ever you work.
We are all proffessionals doing the same job. Why do we let the livery, size of the airplane and other bullshit that means jack shit blurr our vision?
Anyway, the wife telling me to get my ass off the computer..... Cheers and fly safe everyone!
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Rubberbiscuit,
...........that was a good one :)
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Post by Canus Chinookus »

Great post RB, you hit the nail on the head. Note that i didn't specifically name SG in my previous post... it applies to any company. ;)
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Rubberbiscuit wrote:
Anyway, the wife telling me to get my ass off the computer...
...see...women know best...she doesn't want your bum getting burnt from sitting on the hot monitor...or she ain't done having children with you :wink:
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Post by Rubberbiscuit »

BD! am afraid it's alittle to late for that. When the last kid came out with ten fingers and ten toes I yanked my drawers down and told the doctor to go to work on me :( !
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Rubberbiscuit wrote:BD! am afraid it's alittle to late for that. When the last kid came out with ten fingers and ten toes I yanked my drawers down and told the doctor to go to work on me :( !

Wow...any chance your doc has a sister that also happens to be a doc that will do the same thing? I'm looking for a rich wife...I wanna be a trophy husband :?
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Post by Jaques Strappe »

What a pack of vultures. So they need to amend a paragraph in the Ops Manual. What's the big deal? A couple of new hires will cover the cost of gas for a few days.
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Post by Blastor »

Me think God's affraid of competition.
To all employees

On Tuesday, February 15, we released our 2004 year-end and fourth quarter results, which were very disappointing.

I would like to take this opportunity to reassure you not to be concerned. As we continue in this very competitive environment, one thing that makes us truly unique and strong is our spirit and
determination to succeed – this is the essence of our culture and the backbone of our success.

It is imperative that we not let this undermine our drive to be the airline of choice for Canadian air travellers; again, it is our culture and passion that differentiate us from the competition. I urge
each of you to stay focused on all the things we do well: customer service, culture, on-time performance, and keeping costs low. Let’s keep our focus while we work through this difficult period.

Let me also reassure you that we have $150 million in the bank, almost $600 million equity in the company, committed financing for our aircrafts and we are entering into our strongest season - spring and summer.

Our main focus is to take WestJet to the next level - a profitable $2 billion company which continues to deliver an amazing guest experience!
Thank you for your continued efforts and support to get us there.


February 16, 2005

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Blastor wrote...
....I'm touched. really
Do I need to add anything here?

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Post by Vickers vanguard »

rubberbiscuit ! excellent post and wise words ! glad to hear that some pilots realize that family is above everything else ! I have been through the same ordeal as you as far as family is concerned.....but hopefully this will be my last year away from my wife and daughter, enough is enough, to hell Aviation if that's what it takes to see my daughter everyday.
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P.S. : If you want to walk on water, You have to get out of the boat!
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Not good for the industry...

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JetsGOs expansion is going to hurt the industry as a whole. Anyone who thinks that JetsGos expansion is a positive (resulting in more pilot jobs) is completely out of touch with reality.

The routes which this airline has chosen recently to expand into clearly show it has no business sense at all. While AC & WS will eventually win this war, the industry as a whole will suffer, as carriers like JetsGo and other smaller regional airlines will not be able to survive.
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Post by Rubberbiscuit »

Vickers! I wish you the best of luck with that!
Gasper, that is pretty much how I feel about my job as well. The way I say it is that if you wan't to make headway in aviation you must be willing to take chanses. This could be in way of uprooting your family and moving in hope of better times, taking a paycut with a new job because it will pay off in the end or simply putting down money for a bond or comuting, putting strain on family life. I call it making "short term decisions for longterm results".
AGAIN! The whole bond thing sucks, especially for the guys it closes the door for. On the other hand Jetsgo has provided a way to put food on the table for a lot of pilots, many of them laid off with a seniority# from other airlines, and if these were all to to walk out around the same time a lot of airplanes would be parked for a while and I think we all know what would happen if that was the case.
Good luck to all, whatever path you choose!
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